[Guy_Fawkes]

Xort Xort:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

So say you have a guy who wanders up to the border who is a smuggler of weapons/drugs/people, and has gotten through many times because he has never been checked. This time he goes through it looks like they are going to stop him. Before they can get very far said smuggler decides he just wants to turn back. The guards smile and turn him around back. The next day the smuggler comes to the border and gets through with his drugs/guns/people because he wasnt subjected to a through search.

Well given that his destination wasn't Canada and he just wanted to turn around it seems reasonable to let people turn around. Many border crossings have no way to get out after some normally poorly marked exit.

I could be wrong but what this sounds like is he got stuck on the road following his GPS and no way to get out and asked if he could turn around at the post. Guards then decided he needed to have his vehicle searched.

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Now does that sound like a safe policy?

If the police have no evidence or reasonable suspicion to search someone and they wish to turn around I think that's fair. For a vehicle crossing they should have exits and turn arounds at the very last possible location.

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Yes I understand that this guy is not a gun smuggler, that is established, but if he had been and was allowed to turn back would Canada be safer in the long run?

I don't think Canada would be less safe if you had the option to turn around right before you cross the border, or if the person asking the questions seems to be going off the deep end of being reasonable. We can't make the laws and regulations work with all the employees so unless they have cause to hold and search you, turning around should be an option.

The guards did have some suspiction, someone shows up at the border after driving past several signs saying you are going to the border. Then tells them he has no passport and he and his wife just took a wrong turn. That's fishy.

I doubt the inital search was indepth and if the guy had kept the gun in his luggage they probably wouldnt have found it. Or if he had simply declared it they would have probably let him go.

The guards dont know the guy and have to assume he is lying until they have a reason to believe him. They found a undeclared handgun which destroys his credibility.

Again if he was a smuggler, and claimed he just took a wrong turn to get out of a vehicle search, would that make Canada safer?

[Guy_Fawkes]

Xort Xort:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The police aren't the ones at the border. Quite frankly, the border guards would search every vehicle coming across if it was feasible to do so.

They are law enforcement and have all the powers of the police and then some. Their regulatory laws are based in both our criminal justice and ministry regulation.

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I also find it highly unlikely that he didn't realize he was approaching one of the ten busiest border crossings. I find that fishy. It's not like he was on some class B backwater highway with no place to turn around and a little customs shack on the border.

Following a GPS in a place you don't know well when the GPS does something silly can get you into all sorts of places you don't want to go.

Anyway why do you find it fishy? What possible reason do you think he had for crossing the border when his objective was on his side of the border? You say fishy, what is your logic other than it's a busy crossing everyone should just know all the roads and when you can turn off and when you are stuck?

In Edmonton their is a bridge that's too low for trucks to cross, it's clearly marked with warning signs, and has a turn off. Yet every year their are about 10ish cases of trucks either missing the turn off and end up trying to back up a hill into heavy traffic to get back to the turn off, or they totally miss the warnings and take the top off their trucks.

Would you think those drivers are doing something fishy?

I think if you get stuck in a border line, you should be able to say, "I just want to turn around I didn't want to come down this road." Then turn around.

This isnt a bridge or a one way street, it is the border to a foreign country.

As a side note, I think anyone trying to drive a 14ft truck onto the highlevel bridge should have their license revoked and made to take another driving test.

[Caelon]

Xort Xort:

Following a GPS in a place you don't know well when the GPS does something silly can get you into all sorts of places you don't want to go.

Anyway why do you find it fishy? What possible reason do you think he had for crossing the border when his objective was on his side of the border? You say fishy, what is your logic other than it's a busy crossing everyone should just know all the roads and when you can turn off and when you are stuck?

In Edmonton their is a bridge that's too low for trucks to cross, it's clearly marked with warning signs, and has a turn off. Yet every year their are about 10ish cases of trucks either missing the turn off and end up trying to back up a hill into heavy traffic to get back to the turn off, or they totally miss the warnings and take the top off their trucks.

Would you think those drivers are doing something fishy?

I think if you get stuck in a border line, you should be able to say, "I just want to turn around I didn't want to come down this road." Then turn around.

Xort, you are just comparing apples to oranges. Use the link I provided earlier to see what this particular border crossing looks like. I scanned into the US a couple of miles and must have seen at least 10 points to turn back south without getting into the line up. It is one of the 10 BUSIEST border crossings. There are signs telling you about the border for 20 miles before you get there. Do not forget all the big bill boards saying duty free shopping. Maybe he liked the idea of cheap booze crossing into Canada and back to the US. Maybe he has an IQ of 68. Maybe he is just a jerk and wants attention. The only thing that is not a possibility is being surprised he was arriving at a Canadian border crossing.

[Gunnair]

Caelon Caelon:

Xort Xort:

Following a GPS in a place you don't know well when the GPS does something silly can get you into all sorts of places you don't want to go.

Anyway why do you find it fishy? What possible reason do you think he had for crossing the border when his objective was on his side of the border? You say fishy, what is your logic other than it's a busy crossing everyone should just know all the roads and when you can turn off and when you are stuck?

In Edmonton their is a bridge that's too low for trucks to cross, it's clearly marked with warning signs, and has a turn off. Yet every year their are about 10ish cases of trucks either missing the turn off and end up trying to back up a hill into heavy traffic to get back to the turn off, or they totally miss the warnings and take the top off their trucks.

Would you think those drivers are doing something fishy?

I think if you get stuck in a border line, you should be able to say, "I just want to turn around I didn't want to come down this road." Then turn around.

Xort, you are just comparing apples to oranges. Use the link I provided earlier to see what this particular border crossing looks like. I scanned into the US a couple of miles and must have seen at least 10 points to turn back south without getting into the line up. It is one of the 10 BUSIEST border crossings. There are signs telling you about the border for 20 miles before you get there. Do not forget all the big bill boards saying duty free shopping. Maybe he liked the idea of cheap booze crossing into Canada and back to the US. Maybe he has an IQ of 68. Maybe he is just a jerk and wants attention. The only thing that is not a possibility is being surprised he was arriving at a Canadian border crossing.

Yep. Being surprised here is similar to taking the Coho and being surprised you pull into Port Angeles. CBSA doesn't need to say squat in this case because the facts this shitiot has dropped speaks clearly to some blustering shithead who talked himself into an arrest.

[Xort]

Caelon Caelon:

Xort, you are just comparing apples to oranges. Use the link I provided earlier to see what this particular border crossing looks like. I scanned into the US a couple of miles and must have seen at least 10 points to turn back south without getting into the line up. It is one of the 10 BUSIEST border crossings. There are signs telling you about the border for 20 miles before you get there. Do not forget all the big bill boards saying duty free shopping. Maybe he liked the idea of cheap booze crossing into Canada and back to the US. Maybe he has an IQ of 68. Maybe he is just a jerk and wants attention. The only thing that is not a possibility is being surprised he was arriving at a Canadian border crossing.

Explain how trucks can get stuck on the High Level Bridge, one sign has flashing lights, one has one of those height bars you can hit. Yet it happens many times a year.

Clearly none of those truckers could have been surprised when they got stuck. They must have wanted to ruin their whole day, and damage their trucks.
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People can make mistakes, even with the signs reading border ahead how was he to know he couldn't turn off at some point ahead? He was following his GPS, and got stuck in a border line he couldn't get out of. He asked to turn around. He clearly didn't want to cross the border.

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If you say he must have remembered his pistol in his vehicle, I will ask if you have ever forgot something, even something important.

The smuggling charge is a waste of time and money. They should have been able let the guy turn around like he asked when he showed them his reservation.

This case does nothing to make Canada safer and actively harms our safety efforts by pissing away time and money that could be spent on real problems.

[Vamp018]

Apply the law depends on where he got nailed. In this matter the Canadian Side and thus zero tolerance on smuggling weapon. He broke Canadian Law and he is on Canadian Land thenceforth a tourist and subject to all laws of Canada as a guest. If Canada charges him and toss's his rear in there Prison so be. It is Canada's right and sovereignty to enforce just as it is when your reverse the situation in theory.

[QBC]

Vamp018 Vamp018:

Apply the law depends on where he got nailed. In this matter the Canadian Side and thus zero tolerance on smuggling weapon. He broke Canadian Law and he is on Canadian Land thenceforth a tourist and subject to all laws of Canada as a guest. If Canada charges him and toss's his rear in there Prison so be. It is Canada's right and sovereignty to enforce just as it is when your reverse the situation in theory.

Amen.... When you are in someone else's country you are subject to their laws and weather or not you think they are just is irrelevant. You don't like it, stay on your side of the border, simple as that.

[Thanos]

Ranging from David Suzuki's nutcase worshippers to radical evangelicals in the US stirring up murderous anti-gay hatred in Africa to some 2nd Amendment fucktard trying to bluster his way into Canada with all his precious, precious guns, it's rare to find an ideologue polite enough to respect another country's borders. Borders are just lines on a map, and their Eternal Truth doesn't get stopped by arbitrary lines. The War Of The Righteous To Save Everyone From Themselves is eternal and universal. And it doesn't have time to respect any silly local laws, gawdammit!

[ShepherdsDog]

.....you didn`t end that with a RAHOWA!

[Thanos]

Ahhhh, RAHOWA! Is there anything it can't do?

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[Thanos]

The intoxication of the Third Reich fetish can strike anyone, anytime, anywhere. I think it's because of the uniforms and all the dancing.

[ShepherdsDog]

The songs....the dances.....the costumes.....bonfires......what`s not to love??

[Thanos]

...the clean streets...the awesomeness of nothing but white people as far as the eye can see.....

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