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http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2014/07/malaysian_jet_crashed_in_ukraine.html

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Terrorists collect bodies from plane.

[Canadian_Mind]

Who was it that said the dutchies should drop a brigade on the crash site to guard it?

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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Who was it that said the dutchies should drop a brigade on the crash site to guard it?

This brigade would be transferred to Holland in boxes.

[Brenda]

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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Who was it that said the dutchies should drop a brigade on the crash site to guard it?

This brigade would be transferred to Holland in boxes.

Which is exactly why they are not there...
Dutchies ain't stupid.
Going there and barging in is not going to work. People who have no respect for the bodies they just shot out of the sky will not have a problem killing everything that moves that comes close.

[saturn_656]

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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Who was it that said the dutchies should drop a brigade on the crash site to guard it?

This brigade would be transferred to Holland in boxes.

Don't think the insurgents would be much of a match for a NATO brigade.

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Brenda Brenda:

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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Who was it that said the dutchies should drop a brigade on the crash site to guard it?

This brigade would be transferred to Holland in boxes.

Which is exactly why they are not there...
Dutchies ain't stupid.
Going there and barging in is not going to work. People who have no respect for the bodies they just shot out of the sky will not have a problem killing everything that moves that comes close.

They killed today 20 people in Lugansk just on the street. Their relatives were trying to come closer. Separatists were keeping those people on distance till Russian TV arrived, made picture of lying bodies. And after that they allowed people to take away bodies of relatives. So Russian TV translates this episode all day to Russian people as "Massacre done by Ukrainian army" to take away attention from plane. Ukraine tells West for about 6 month that situation is very serious and consequences will be horrible. This is war Between Ukraine and Russia. And West (EU + US), keep feeding us with "sanctions level 2" which will bite Russian economy in the next few years and 10-15 official documents so-called "US and EU are worried about situation in Ukraine and ask Russia to stop this". We "appreciate" this.

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saturn_656 saturn_656:

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Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Who was it that said the dutchies should drop a brigade on the crash site to guard it?

This brigade would be transferred to Holland in boxes.

Don't think the insurgents would be much of a match for a NATO brigade.

Brigade will arrive in box too. Army will not, but brigade will.

[andyt]

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This is war Between Ukraine and Russia. And West (EU + US), keep feeding us with "sanctions level 2" which will bite Russian economy in the next few years and 10-15 official documents so-called "US and EU are worried about situation in Ukraine and ask Russia to stop this". We "appreciate" this.

You don't seriously expect NATO to go to war with Russia over Ukraine, do you? So what else could we do?

[Jabberwalker]

How about taking away the landing rights for their carriers around the world?

You want to fly out of Moscow on Aeroflot? You will have the choice of landing in Damascus, Pyongyang or Havana.

Essentially, drum them out of ICAO.

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andyt andyt:

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This is war Between Ukraine and Russia. And West (EU + US), keep feeding us with "sanctions level 2" which will bite Russian economy in the next few years and 10-15 official documents so-called "US and EU are worried about situation in Ukraine and ask Russia to stop this". We "appreciate" this.

You don't seriously expect NATO to go to war with Russia over Ukraine, do you? So what else could we do?

Why you always solve problem with shooting. 3-d lvl of sanctions will be more than enough. Economy isolation will be perfect.

[andyt]

I've been saying for a long time that the West should put in stiff sanctions - you seemed to think that was not enough. Sanctions don't work quickly, and serious sanctions would hurt Germany and England as well as Russia. Maybe after this disaster they will have the will to put stiff sanctions in place, maybe not.

As for shooting, that's your (Ukraine's job) and you're finally doing a good job of it.

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andyt andyt:

I've been saying for a long time that the West should put in stiff sanctions - you seemed to think that was not enough. Sanctions don't work quickly, and serious sanctions would hurt Germany and England as well as Russia. Maybe after this disaster they will have the will to put stiff sanctions in place, maybe not.

Well, I've heard about something like that in past...yeah, it was 1939, and everyone knows what was later.

[BRAH]

If any leader can still negoiate with Putin to end the crisis it's possibly Angela Merkel but after this she might even be less hesitant to deal with him anymore.

[Winnipegger]

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Brigade will arrive in box too. Army will not, but brigade will.

What exactly do you want? You've argued for a long time for more intervention/support from the West. Now when someone suggests doing just that, you make threats. That doesn't make sense. What exactly do you want?