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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:00 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
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ROTFL

Yes, because a couple hundred people in a broken down Elks Lodge will change the face of Canada!


About thirty people in a Boston tavern started the movement to oust the British Empire from the Colonies. :idea:


They were actually being repressed though. Alberta has one of the best economies in North America right now. Such things won't get a lot of traction.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:50 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
Alberta has one of the best economies in North America right now. Such things won't get a lot of traction.


The US is currently enjoying the best economy in over fifty years yet we're the most divided we've been since 1865. :idea:


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BartSimpson wrote:
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Alberta has one of the best economies in North America right now. Such things won't get a lot of traction.


The US is currently enjoying the best economy in over fifty years yet we're the most divided we've been since 1865. :idea:


You guys have been like that for quite some time. We haven't. Literally, no one is talking about this, beside those guys.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:05 pm
 


I promise to unify the continent when I am Supreme Chancellor.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:13 pm
 


The llama state of N. America shall never be. llama's spit to much to ever be voted into power. If they try to force us under their banner we will just wait for them to spit and then shoot.

llama BBQ for the whole continent [drool] [B-o]


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DrCaleb wrote:
You guys have been like that for quite some time. We haven't. Literally, no one is talking about this, beside those guys.

Are these the same guys that pointed at Québec and laughed when we elected to power Le Parti Québecois? :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:16 pm
 


Is your Avatar pointing at me? 8)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:19 pm
 


I got my ruler out and it seems I missed you by about a half centimetre.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:23 pm
 


raydan wrote:
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You guys have been like that for quite some time. We haven't. Literally, no one is talking about this, beside those guys.

Are these the same guys that pointed at Québec and laughed when we elected to power Le Parti Québecois? :wink:


And likely the ones who merged the Reform Party into the Alliance Party so they could forget their mandate and become the CPC. ;)


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stratos wrote:
The llama state of N. America shall never be. llama's spit to much to ever be voted into power. If they try to force us under their banner we will just wait for them to spit and then shoot.

llama BBQ for the whole continent [drool] [B-o]

Listen little man, I can spit on automatic. If it wasn't for physics and law enforcement this planet would already be mine, and although you wound me with your notion of a Llama-b-q; I'd still grant you title of Viceroy of Texas.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:41 pm
 


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stratos wrote:
The llama state of N. America shall never be. llama's spit to much to ever be voted into power. If they try to force us under their banner we will just wait for them to spit and then shoot.

llama BBQ for the whole continent [drool] [B-o]

Oh yeah. I wonder if llama is best done on lump or briquettes? Does it need marinades or is a rub good enough?? Questions... questions???


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:25 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:

About thirty people in a Boston tavern started the movement to oust the British Empire from the Colonies. :idea:


The laughter and mockery from the supposedly smart folks usually ends quite quickly and in dismay when something huge gets set into irreversible motion. Canada has no more "right" to exist than any other jurisdiction on the planet. Maybe even less so, given that the "real" Canadians seem to be complete intransigent when it comes to even discussing the disparities and blatant unfairness built into the current constitutional & electoral arrangement.

Preston Manning and his movement tried to be nice, just from merely asking for something more fair. And he got laughed out of the building for his efforts. That kind of effort won't happen a second time, not when there's no point in even talking anymore. The only fix for an unhappy home where favourites are given privileged status at the complete expense of one of the other siblings is for the aggrieved party to simply move out of the house. Keep pushing with the current system and see what happens.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:41 pm
 


No shit, Thanos.

I remember the elites laughing their arrogant asses off when they proposed the Brexit vote to silence people like Nigel Farage once and for all.

I also remember the media douchebags laughing like hyenas when Trump said he was running for President.

They're not laughing now.

My guess is that an Alberta sovereignty referendum won't be allowed by those same elites because by now they're learned not to trust their voters. :idea:


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Fun fact:

The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea will be all but worthless when it comes to getting a pipeline built.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-separation-calgary-wexit-peter-downing-1.5346219

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The UN convention, adopted in 1982, does say that "landlocked states shall enjoy freedom of transit through the territory of transit states by all means of transport."

However, it goes on to say that terms "shall be agreed between the landlocked states and transit states concerned through bilateral, subregional or regional agreements," and that transit states have the right to ensure their "legitimate interests" aren't infringed upon.

"It's not an unqualified right. They can't just say, 'OK, we need to get through here,"' said Silvia Maciunas, a fellow at the Centre for International Governance Innovation in Waterloo, Ont.

"They have to talk to the other state, which would be Canada."


I went and had a look at the actual UN Convention myself, and look what I found:

Quote:

PART X
RIGHT OF ACCESS OF LAND-LOCKED
STATES TO AND FROM THE SEA
AND FREEDOM OF TRANSIT
Article 124
Use of terms
1. For the purposes of this Convention:
(a) "land-locked State" means a State which has no sea-coast;
(b) "transit State" means a State, with or without a sea-coast,
situated between a land-locked State and the sea, through whose
territory traffic in transit passes;
(c) "traffic in transit" means transit of persons, baggage, goods and
means of transport across the territory of one or more transit
States, when the passage across such territory, with or without
trans-shipment, warehousing, breaking bulk or change in the
mode of transport, is only a portion of a complete journey
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which begins or terminates within the territory of the
land-locked State;
(d) "means of transport" means:
(i) railway rolling stock, sea, lake and river craft and road
vehicles;
(ii) where local conditions so require, porters and pack
animals.
2. Land-locked States and transit States may, by agreement between
them, include as means of transport pipelines and gas lines and means of
transport other than those included in paragraph 1.




In other words, an independent Alberta would still have to negotiate with the remainder of Canada to get a pipeline to tidewater.

The parallels with Quebec the Wexiteers are raising are interesting in that regard. Like us, many Quebecois in 1995 felt abused and spat on by the rest of the country, even as the rest of the country said that if Quebec did decide to separate, Ottawa should take a hard line in negotiations.

Wouldn't the exact same thing happen with us not just in any pipeline negotiations, but on all the other issues we'd have to work out with separation?


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