[jj2424]

This is from 13 years ago..why the up-roar now? Let me guess "it's harper's fault"



Last Updated: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 | 6:56 PM ET

CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/04/26 ... 00426.html

A report for the Anglican Journal says the federal government carried out medical experiments on children at native residential schools, often without parental consent.
The article which will appear in the May issue of the Journal, says the federal government denied preventive dental treatment and experimented with diets to study the effects of Vitamin C and fluoride.

The controlled experiments took place in the 1940's and '50's in at least four native residential schools, including one in Port Alberni.

David Napier is the freelance journalist who wrote the article.

"The big problem that I've come across is that there doesn't seem to have been parental consent secured in all cases," he says. "

But Dr. L.B. Pett, the physician who supervised the study says that wasn't possible.

"We couldn't find the parents at the time," he says. "They were mostly in the bush, and we had to accept the authority of the principal of the school."

A residential school survivor on Vancouver Island says he's not surprised about the experiments. Ray Harris is now managing a treatment centre that helps people deal with the effects of residential schools.

He says it makes him angry the federal government did whatever it wanted with native children.

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Paul Martin with his foot in his mouth.

Experiments on aboriginal people 'monstrous,' Paul Martin says

Former prime minister Paul Martin is urging the federal government to clear the air on "monstrous" reports of nutritional experiments carried out on malnourished First Nations children – and tackle the poverty and discrimination that persists in aboriginal communities today.

In an interview with CBC News, Martin said there must be a full disclosure of all relevant records to get a complete picture of the "horror" that took place in the 1940s and 1950s – and how the legacy of that harm continues now.

"Canadians are entitled to know the whole story, and they're entitled not to have it leak out to them in dribs and drabs this way, but they're entitled to have the story out, and the people who are good analysts who understand this kind of thing put it into context," he said. "Because it is simply too horrible to contemplate, and the only way in which the vow of 'never again' can have any substance is if people have a full awareness of what happened."

Shocked by revelations

Martin was shocked by revelations from the research of Canadian food historian Ian Mosby, which found that at least 1,300 aboriginal people, most of them children, were used as test subjects in the 1940s and 1950s by researchers probing the effectiveness of vitamin supplements.

It began in 1942 on about 300 Cree in Norway House in northern Manitoba, with plans subsequently developed for research on about 1,000 aboriginal children in six residential schools in Port Alberni, B.C., Kenora, Ont., Shubenacadie, N.S., and Lethbridge, Alta.
B.C. residential school survivor says he was starved

Subjects were kept on starvation-level diets, and given or denied vitamins, minerals and certain foods. Some dental services were also withdrawn because researchers thought healthier teeth and gums might skew results.

"When you read or hear about horrors that took place 200 years ago, to a certain extent you say maybe they were different, those people," Martin said. "The kinds of things that happened in the 1940s – we could have known those people – and that they would take those kinds of decisions, do those kinds of things … it's almost impossible to imagine that could have happened."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/04/26 ... 00426.html
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It took him 13 years to become "shocked"

what an ahole.

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[jj2424]

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[Jabberwalker]

... and we go on about the Nazis and Dr. Mengele ...

[Freakinoldguy]

Don't hold your breath waiting for him admit that it was Martin and not Harper who was responsible. Because he'll likely claim Martin didn't know and gets the benefit of the doubt but, if you notice by his posts its a courtesy this self proclaimed non partisan hack never extents to the current PM.

[peck420]

I don't think the ruling party matters in this.

It kind of seems like every party, that has ever run our country, kind of shit the bed on First Nation issues.

[Freakinoldguy]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

... and we go on about the Nazis and Dr. Mengele ...

Are you equating Paul Martin to Adolf Hitler and Ujjal Dosanjh to Dr. Mengele?

What happened is disgusting and should never have been allowed or even considered but your analogy is a huge stretch even for some on the other side of the political spectrum like myself.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

... and we go on about the Nazis and Dr. Mengele ...

While these acts were utterly unethical and criminal this:

$1:

The article which will appear in the May issue of the Journal, says the federal government denied preventive dental treatment and experimented with diets to study the effects of Vitamin C and fluoride.

Does not equal this:

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Mengele's experiments also included attempts to change eye colour by injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations of limbs, and other surgeries such as kidney removal, without anaesthesia.[17] Rena Gelissen's account of her time in Auschwitz details certain experiments performed on female prisoners around October 1943. Mengele would experiment on the chosen girls, performing forced sterilization and electroconvulsive therapy. Most of the victims died, because of either the experiments or later infections.

Once Mengele's assistant rounded up fourteen pairs of Roma twins during the night. Mengele placed them on his polished marble dissection table and put them to sleep. He then injected chloroform into their hearts, killing them instantly. Mengele then began dissecting and meticulously noting each piece of the twins' bodies.[13]

At Auschwitz, Mengele did a number of studies on twins. After an experiment was over, the twins were usually killed and their bodies dissected. He supervised an operation by which two Roma children were sewn together to create conjoined twins; the hands of the children became badly infected where the veins had been resected; these twins soon died of an uncontrolled gangrene infection. In another "experiment", he connected a 7-year-old girl's urinary tract to her colon.[18]

Do try to keep your hyperbole in perspective in the future for the simple reason that equating every injustice with what the Nazis did has the effect of lessening the impact of the monstrosities that actually did occur under the tyranny of the Third Reich.

[Thanos]

peck420 peck420:

I don't think the ruling party matters in this.

It kind of seems like every party, that has ever run our country, kind of shit the bed on First Nation issues.

That's true, in a way. But only one party ever seems to get blamed for it for some reason.

[Jabberwalker]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

... and we go on about the Nazis and Dr. Mengele ...

Are you equating Paul Martin to Adolf Hitler and Ujjal Dosanjh to Dr. Mengele?

What happened is disgusting and should never have been allowed or even considered but your analogy is a huge stretch even for some on the other side of the political spectrum like myself.

Of course not. This all happened when Paul martin Jr. was a boy. I'm talking about the medical officers who performed this sort of experiment on humans. If they were still alive (I doubt it,) they should be charged.

[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

... and we go on about the Nazis and Dr. Mengele ...

While these acts were utterly unethical and criminal this:

$1:

The article which will appear in the May issue of the Journal, says the federal government denied preventive dental treatment and experimented with diets to study the effects of Vitamin C and fluoride.

Does not equal this:

$1:

Mengele's experiments also included attempts to change eye colour by injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations of limbs, and other surgeries such as kidney removal, without anaesthesia.[17] Rena Gelissen's account of her time in Auschwitz details certain experiments performed on female prisoners around October 1943. Mengele would experiment on the chosen girls, performing forced sterilization and electroconvulsive therapy. Most of the victims died, because of either the experiments or later infections.

Once Mengele's assistant rounded up fourteen pairs of Roma twins during the night. Mengele placed them on his polished marble dissection table and put them to sleep. He then injected chloroform into their hearts, killing them instantly. Mengele then began dissecting and meticulously noting each piece of the twins' bodies.[13]

At Auschwitz, Mengele did a number of studies on twins. After an experiment was over, the twins were usually killed and their bodies dissected. He supervised an operation by which two Roma children were sewn together to create conjoined twins; the hands of the children became badly infected where the veins had been resected; these twins soon died of an uncontrolled gangrene infection. In another "experiment", he connected a 7-year-old girl's urinary tract to her colon.[18]

Do try to keep your hyperbole in perspective in the future for the simple reason that equating every injustice with what the Nazis did has the effect of lessening the impact of the monstrosities that actually did occur under the tyranny of the Third Reich.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

peck420 peck420:

I don't think the ruling party matters in this.

It kind of seems like every party, that has ever run our country, kind of shit the bed on First Nation issues.

That's true, in a way. But only one party ever seems to get blamed for it for some reason.

Whatever party that was in charge at the time of the offenses should properly bear the burden of history.

[Jabberwalker]

Mengele performed many thousands of experiments on humans ranging from these extreme horrors to experiments very like those that were conducted on those native kids. The German and Swiss pharmaceutical industry benefit from the data that he collected to this day.

We're certainly not a bad as Nazis but we're not as good as we smugly believe ourselves to be. There were Canadian officials working on our behalf during that period who would qualify as being fascists from our modern perspective.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

We're certainly not a bad as Nazis

No, you're not. So please don't confuse a nation and a people I love with a bunch of monsters who had to be put down like the rabid dogs they were.

Thank you.

[Zipperfish]

peck420 peck420:

I don't think the ruling party matters in this.

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It seems to be all that matters to some folks.