[Tricks]

I still want to know what he took. Performance enhancing drug is such a broad term.

[Brenda]

rickc wrote:

Why wait for Thursday? I'll have a heaping helping of humble pie right now. I believe in innocent untill proven guilty. I went to bat for the man. I wanted to believe in him. I wanted to believe in his incredible comeback story. I wanted to believe in him as a rolemodel for people who are fighting cancer. I was wrong. Very, very wrong. Armstrong is just another lying, cheating, POS. And once again I am a horrible judge of character. With each passing day, I lose more faith in mankind in general. I have totally gave up on my ability to read people in any capacity whatsoever. Thank God I'm not a parole officer! Kudos to those of you saw through the bullshit. You did'nt let your heart cloud your judgement. You called a spade a spade. Job well done!

You and me both

He kept on lying until he got the chance to be on Oprah. Narcissistic much?

Shame on Oprah for giving him the attention he does not deserve. Guess her network needs the attention too.

[Thanos]

rickc wrote:

Why wait for Thursday? I'll have a heaping helping of humble pie right now. I believe in innocent untill proven guilty. I went to bat for the man. I wanted to believe in him. I wanted to believe in his incredible comeback story. I wanted to believe in him as a rolemodel for people who are fighting cancer. I was wrong. Very, very wrong. Armstrong is just another lying, cheating, POS. And once again I am a horrible judge of character. With each passing day, I lose more faith in mankind in general. I have totally gave up on my ability to read people in any capacity whatsoever. Thank God I'm not a parole officer! Kudos to those of you saw through the bullshit. You did'nt let your heart cloud your judgement. You called a spade a spade. Job well done!

Ehhhh, it's no big deal in the greater scheme of things. In a sport where it's a high likelihood that practically all of the performers are dopers I'm not sure what the big moral outrage is anyway. It's a failure on the part of sports in general that they feel the need to cheat in order to win, and then to suck up all the big money prizes and endorsements afterwards.

There's entire sectors of human activity, such as the financial and political arenas, where cheating is openly encouraged in order to succeed. The antics of some guy riding his bike across France once a year pale in comparison to the real-time damage these other genuinely dirty players end up doing to practically the entire world.

[raydan]

Conspiracy, I say... it's a conspiracy... at least, that's my theory.

[DrCaleb]

rickc wrote:

Why wait for Thursday? I'll have a heaping helping of humble pie right now. I believe in innocent untill proven guilty. I went to bat for the man. I wanted to believe in him. I wanted to believe in his incredible comeback story. I wanted to believe in him as a rolemodel for people who are fighting cancer. I was wrong. Very, very wrong. Armstrong is just another lying, cheating, POS. And once again I am a horrible judge of character. With each passing day, I lose more faith in mankind in general. I have totally gave up on my ability to read people in any capacity whatsoever. Thank God I'm not a parole officer! Kudos to those of you saw through the bullshit. You did'nt let your heart cloud your judgement. You called a spade a spade. Job well done!

I agree. I didn't go to bat for him, but I don't like someone to be tried and convicted by hearsay alone.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos wrote:

There's entire sectors of human activity, such as the financial and political arenas, where cheating is openly encouraged in order to succeed. The antics of some guy riding his bike across France once a year pale in comparison to the real-time damage these other genuinely dirty players end up doing to practically the entire world.

[Freakinoldguy]

Much as I don't like the sanctimonious Lance Armstrong I firmly believe he should never have admitted to doping.

Barry Bonds still to this day steadfastly denied using PED's which we all know is bullshit and, has suffered no serious consequences except his denial into the Baseball Hall of Fame on the first ballot.

Armstrong may have just opened up a lot of legal problems for himself by admitting what everyone but a few fans with blinders on knew.

He may have hurt himself by doping and denying it but the biggest losers are going to be the people his foundation has supported and helped.

What happens to his foundation now that everyone knows that despite the good work it appears to be doing it's been built by a self confessed lying cheat? I suspect it'll just slowly sink into the sunset along with his tainted career which, when you think about it is to bad.

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[Gunnair]

I'm rather fond of the idea if personal accountability and responsibility.

[Brenda]

Freakinoldguy wrote:

Much as I don't like the sanctimonious Lance Armstrong I firmly believe he should never have admitted to doping.

The ONLY reason why he did (half assed), is because it might lift his worldwide, life long ban to compete in any sport. Funny detail, "they" don't care what he says on Oprah.

I guess his brain is too fucked up by those drugs to think straight.

[Freakinoldguy]

Brenda wrote:

Freakinoldguy wrote:

Much as I don't like the sanctimonious Lance Armstrong I firmly believe he should never have admitted to doping.

The ONLY reason why he did (half assed), is because it might lift his worldwide, life long ban to compete in any sport. Funny detail, "they" don't care what he says on Oprah.

I guess his brain is too fucked up by those drugs to think straight.

Had he not admitted to it he could have kept the doubts alive and his foundation and the people it helps wouldn't have had to suffer like they will now.

As it is now, the foundation will likely go under right along with Mr. Perfect. But I guess for Armstong the need to compete in sanctioned Triathalons is more important than his foundations work with cancer patients.

Then again, maybe Sheryl Crow is a better judge of character than we give her credit for.

[Brenda]

Freakinoldguy wrote:

Brenda wrote:

Freakinoldguy wrote:

Much as I don't like the sanctimonious Lance Armstrong I firmly believe he should never have admitted to doping.

The ONLY reason why he did (half assed), is because it might lift his worldwide, life long ban to compete in any sport. Funny detail, "they" don't care what he says on Oprah.

I guess his brain is too fucked up by those drugs to think straight.

Had he not admitted to it he could have kept the doubts alive and his foundation and the people it helps wouldn't have had to suffer like they will now.

He obviously does not care. It is not about him anymore there, so why would he care, right?

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As it is now, the foundation will likely go under right along with Mr. Perfect. But I guess for Armstong the need to compete in sanctioned Triathalons is more important than his foundations work with cancer patients.

I hope not. I hope some honest, awesome people will lend their name to it and keep it going. The cause and their work is fantastic

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Then again, maybe Sheryl Crow is a better judge of character than we give her credit for.

Obviously

[andyt]

rickc wrote:

Why wait for Thursday? I'll have a heaping helping of humble pie right now. I believe in innocent untill proven guilty. I went to bat for the man. I wanted to believe in him. I wanted to believe in his incredible comeback story. I wanted to believe in him as a rolemodel for people who are fighting cancer. I was wrong. Very, very wrong. Armstrong is just another lying, cheating, POS. And once again I am a horrible judge of character. With each passing day, I lose more faith in mankind in general. I have totally gave up on my ability to read people in any capacity whatsoever. Thank God I'm not a parole officer! Kudos to those of you saw through the bullshit. You did'nt let your heart cloud your judgement. You called a spade a spade. Job well done!

I knew he was a POS as soon as I saw pics of him mtn biking with his buddy GWB.

But, seriously, if the 2nd place finishers etc are always caught, and the 1st place finishers from other years, it strains credulity that Armstrong was such as superman that he could beat all the dopers and not be doping himself.

[andyt]

Tricks wrote:

I still want to know what he took. Performance enhancing drug is such a broad term.

Having a little trouble accepting this? What difference does it make? EPO was one of the drugs that the witnesses who saw him taking drugs mentioned, since they were injecting the same drugs with him. Feel better now? Of course those witnesses were all lying because they were out to get Armstrong. Maybe he just did a Rebagliatti.

[Tricks]

andyt wrote:

Tricks wrote:

I still want to know what he took. Performance enhancing drug is such a broad term.

Having a little trouble accepting this? What difference does it make? EPO was one of the drugs that the witnesses who saw him taking drugs mentioned, since they were injecting the same drugs with him. Feel better now? Of course those witnesses were all lying because they were out to get Armstrong. Maybe he just did a Rebagliatti.

Armstrong doping means nothing to me, I couldn't care less. EPO eh? Interesting, good to know.

[BRAH]

Armstrong came clean like his urine test.