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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:56 pm
 


A video for Fiddle, and everyone else.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:23 am
 


Rex Murphy: 'Antifa' are despicable fascists — call them that, openly, now

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We are fortunate to live in an age where the fight against neo-Nazis and white supremacy is taken so seriously. Only last week, reading the editorial and news reports from down south it was evident, especially after Charlottesville, that the days of the American Republic were numbered. A breathless media warned it was Germany in the early 1930s all over again. Fortunately the Republic has survived.

Who saved us all from a toothbrush mustache future? Why, the black-masked “antifa” militia and their Black Bloc twin, naturally.

Ready as always, clad in black from head to stormtrooper toe, with their full arsenal of smoke bombs, brass knuckles, pipes, sticks and baseball bats, pepper spray and even shields (to pummel, not protect) proved more than capable of putting emergent neo-Nazis under the knout, both in Berkeley and even up here at McGill.

How did they do it?

With mayhem and mobs, of course. They smashed cameras and sometimes the faces of reporters, chased down old people, executed beat downs on isolated protestors, mauled passersby, in one case threatened a man in a wheelchair, and in general stormed the streets like a wolf pack after a long hunger and a really bad hair day. Anti-fascism is hard thuggish work.

Dropping the irony, that was the ludicrous overview being tentatively offered and implicitly supported by many who really should have known much better. A neo-Nazi and/or white supremacist threat to American democracy exists only in the heads of those who read Marvel Comics for news and think Twitter is a medium for sentient beings.

The real question about the antifa nihilist deadheads is how long so many are going to (a) avoid making judgements on them and (b) put up with their blatant violence and duplicity. In a multitude of press reports after Charlottesville they enjoyed a real pass. The most witless or insolent of reporters/commentators likened them (Lord, spare us) to the Allied soldiers landing on the Normandy beaches, a classic example of the excusatory overtime put in to “justify” a set of thugs who enact the defining brutalities of fascism while calling themselves anti-fascist. What we have seen from antifa and Black Bloc is Mussolini in the bud.

Lorrie Goldstein of the Toronto Sun was outstandingly on the mark from the beginning, seeing them for what they were. Most reporters HuffPuffed their disdain for the troglodytes of the right, but held mum or waxed pious on the antifa mobs. Following an attack on a reporter at the Berkeley melee, Goldstein offered this gem of rebuke: “Hey, look, Mainstream Media! Your pets are off the leash.”

Bloomberg Media woke up a week late with “Antifa has more in common with the Nazis than with American ideals.” No less than Nancy Pelosi, after Berkeley, found it expedient to declare “The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted.”

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Rex Murphy is an oppurtunistic and milquetoast neoliberal who plays with edgy moderate populism, riding the fence hard enough to pretend he has an actual stance besides popular opposition to this or that, being convenient whenever nessesary to whichever liberal or conservative cause needs him.

Which "reporters" likened Antifa to the storming of Normandy? Plenty of "commentators", certainly, but hopefully Rex is getting conclusions from more than the non-existent avenue of propaganda present on Twitter. I saw reporters say fighting fascism is honourable. Not so many compliments for Antifa itself. Like I'd care what CNN thinks anyway.

Nothing more "deadhead" than declaring "fascism" to mean only "violence". Enjoy the splinters, Rex. Folks like Fiddle ain't gunna spare you once you start talking about "civil liberties" and shit.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:29 am
 


Well if we're going to learn how to recognize a fascist, maybe we should know what it is.

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Fascism

The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.

1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.

2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.

3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.

The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism

But first, before we do anything, we need out street thugs. Right Antifa?


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Well if we're going to learn how to recognize a fascist, maybe we should know what it is.

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Fascism

The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.

1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.

2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.

3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.

The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism

But first, before we do anything, we need out street thugs. Right Antifa?
Do you know anything about anarchism and communism? Which parts of Mussolini's manifesto do you think apply to Antifa? Why of all sources did you pick UrbanDictionary?? Wikipedia not legitimate enough for you?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:38 am
 


Public_Domain Public_Domain:
Which parts of Mussolini's manifesto do you think apply to Antifa?


How about all of it ?
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Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years, and voting and electoral office eligibility for all age 25 and up;
Proportional representation on a regional basis;
Voting for women (which was then opposed by most other European nations);
Representation at government level of newly created national councils by economic sector;
The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the Senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the king. It has been described as a sort of extended council of the crown);
The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers.

In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
A minimum wage;
The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
Reorganization of the railways and the transport sector;
Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
Armaments factories are to be nationalized;
A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a “partial expropriation” of concentrated wealth);
The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.


Haven't you advocated for almost all these things at some point ?

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abolition of any 'privilege' in government
minimum wage
workers councils in companies
limited army
progressive taxes or outright nationalization
fuck the Church

Universal suffrage is done, some far left governments , i.e. the SNP in Scotland,
want to lower it to 16.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:11 am
 


Yeah, quote those 'policies' that were as valid as a Soviet Bill of Rights and convince yourself Fascists and Nazis are leftists.

AFAIC if antifa individuals smash windows and burn cars arrest them like the common criminals they are. If they disrupt Klan and white supremacist rallies and beat the shit out of real fascists, applaud them.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:23 am
 


Both sides are guilty so fuck them both.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:31 am
 


All authoritarian movements need to be eliminated. There is no difference between the extreme right or extreme left. Death to them all.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:35 am
 




That aside though, yeah, Brah and Shep, you've got a point.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:06 pm
 


Whenever there's a G7 or G20 meeting the anti-globalists show up and riot.
Therefore, ALL anti-globalist rioters and terrorists.
Trump is an anti-globalist America firster
Therefore Trump = a terrorist.
There's two sides, and the rioting happens every time.
Therefore all are equally to blame
All the trade ministers of every nation are equally guilty.

There's actually two sides to this discussion: the antifa that show up to protest and the antifa that riot. Only the ones that riot are to blame.
The disgusting pig racists are not a "side", they don't even deserve recognition as a valid opinion.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:42 pm
 


herbie herbie:
Whenever there's a G7 or G20 meeting the anti-globalists show up and riot.
Therefore, ALL anti-globalist rioters and terrorists.
Trump is an anti-globalist America firster
Therefore Trump = a terrorist.


Ah yes...Prog math.

Gotta love it.

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Something else though...and this just because I'm interested in how the mind messages come down from the leftist mothership. So to speak. :wink:

I was hearing about those riots long before I ever heard the word "Globalism." I was always under the impression those groups were different flavors of Marxist. You know...anti-capitalism and all that.

When did they become labelled "Anti-globalist?" Was it one of those 'warming stopped so let's call global warming, climate change' kind of things?

When are your guys going to start inviting all us actual anti-globalists to your riots?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:05 pm
 


Oh PD, just this once, you've got to actually watch this one. :D

I watched yours.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:09 pm
 


not a personal attack; I've seen you here long enough to respect your unique look on things... but how does one get away with the hammer and sickle in this day and age of sensitivity and aversion to totalitarian/imperialistic/uncompromising ideals and concepts? (letting slide the NK flag as recent developments may be predated by that stylistic choice)


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