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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:40 pm
 


Could still be an electability issue though. An issue like dope will probably be enough to steal a big part of the youth vote away from the NDP and back to the Liberals. Whether it translates into forming the next government is something else altogether. Might be a shock to Trudeau Junior and some of the CKA'ers but younger voters might actually have bigger concerns than getting stoned legally.


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jj2424 jj2424:
Really? One is legal and the other isn't.


Are you really a conservative? I suspect most of the people on this site are hard core closet liberals and socialists masquerading as conservatives.

Maybe Conservatives know better to focus on the real issues not distractions like this.


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jj2424 jj2424:
Really? One is legal and the other isn't.


Are you really a conservative? I suspect most of the people on this site are hard core closet liberals and socialists masquerading as conservatives.



And we are back to why is it illegal to begin with? It should be a matter of personal choice.


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jj2424 jj2424:
Really? One is legal and the other isn't.


Are you really a conservative? I suspect most of the people on this site are hard core closet liberals and socialists masquerading as conservatives.


Compared to you, BVic Toews is a hardcore libtard.


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and Lennie Small a towering intellect :twisted:


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jj2424 jj2424:
Really? One is legal and the other isn't.


Are you really a conservative? I suspect most of the people on this site are hard core closet liberals and socialists masquerading as conservatives.


Yeah because holding some moral high ground and preaching to the masses that old fashioned values are the only way to live your life is all there is to conservatism.

Small government, liberty and fiscal restraint have nothing at all to do with conservatism.


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jj2424 jj2424:
Really? One is legal and the other isn't.


Are you really a conservative? I suspect most of the people on this site are hard core closet liberals and socialists masquerading as conservatives.

Really? So to be pro-marijuana you have to be a hardcore liberal?

My father is so conservative he'd make you look like a hardline Dipper. Yet I was still able to convince him of the relative harmlessness of weed and prove to him that it's prohibition was based on nothing but pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Not once has anyone been able to prove the spurious claims made about pot. You'd think after over 80 years of prohibition in Canada, SOMEONE would have been able to show real evidence.

I mean hell, the JW's were banned in Canada until the end of WW2 and they're way more harmful to society than pot and/or pot smokers :lol:


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PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

My father is so conservative he'd make you look like a hardline Dipper. Yet I was still able to convince him of the relative harmlessness of weed and prove to him that it's prohibition was based on nothing but pure, unadulterated bullshit.



Not nice of you to lie to your father. :)

Let's stop referring to marijuana has a "harmless" drug. It's false.


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Is cannabis really a drug?

IS CANNABIS A DRUG? - A DISCUSSION

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WHETHER OR NOT CANNABIS IS A DRUG IT OUGHT BE LEGALISED.

When we talk about cannabis we are not talking about what is not cannabis

Under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, the cannabis plant and its derivatives which contain THC are classified as a Class B Drug and prohibited. Some parts of the plant, such as seeds, roots and stalks, do not fall within the Act. On the question of leaves, forensic scientists look for the presence of THC and other active cannabinoids, and if found, the substance falls within the Act. Some argue that cannabis is a drug in any case, as it can be used as a constituent in a medicine. Others argue that parts of the cannabis plant cannot correctly, semantically be called a drug at all, especially as it is neither physically addictive nor toxic in any conceivably consumable amount. The correct meaning of the word 'drug' as applied to cannabis continues to be debated; nevertheless, in British law, cannabis is a drug.

Safety
Cannabis has been described as one of the safest therapeutic substances known to man, and safer than most common vegetables - DEA Judge Young, 1988. Others describe cannabis as "remakably safe, but not completely harmless" - Prof. Lester Grinspoon MD1997). Some even claim that cannabis is completely harmless and beneficial to man. Yet other scientists have inferred health risks involved the smoking of cannabis, mostly based upon the results of experimentation with THC extracts and synthetic THC carried out on mice, rats and monkeys. It is generally accepted that cannabis is safer than alcohol and tobacco. The question of the risk element attached to the use of cannabis will continue to be a matter for the experts, but irrespective of the answer there exists no just reason to punish cannabis users or those who grow it.

Campaigners, scientists and doctors cannot agree. Cannabis has been used for centuries, both medicinally and for the high, as well as for rope etc, long before the days of drugs and synthetics. Much of the discussion is based on dictionary definitions which change with time. Tell a Rastafarian that his sacrament is a drug and you will be in trouble! Look at a bale of hemp fibre, hemp seed oil soap, paper, cloth or seedcake - they are all pure cannabis - and then tell me it is a drug.

CANNABIS IS NOT A DRUG.

Drugs are associated with addiction, habit and problems. Cannabis is associated with none of these. "Cannabis is not dope, it's everything from rope to hope!"

The following article is an extract from The Report of the FCDA Europe

Although on average approximately 75 people per annum in the U.S. are revealed by post mortem (autopsy) examination to have cannabis in their system at the time of their death, their deaths were induced by causes not associated with cannabis. In all the long history of its use of which the record dates back approximately 5,000 years, cannabis has never been cause to a single fatality. Medical records and study of worldwide pertinent writings over the millennia show that at no time has any person died from the ingestion of any amount of cannabis, ever.

Cannabis is a NON-TOXIC substance. One hundred per cent of the scores of studies by American universities and research facilities show that toxicity does not exist in cannabis. (U.C.L.A, Harvard, Temple, etc.)

All the in-depth medico-scientific clinical studies conducted (for example, US-Jamaican, US-Costa Rican, LaGuardia, etc) have revealed that cannabis contains no addictive properties in any part of the plant or its smoke, so, unlike and in contrast to tobacco, alcohol, and all the legal or illegal 'recreational' substances cannabis is both non-habit-forming and non-toxic. Therefore cannabis is uniquely safe. In this Report, let it be unequivocal and clearly understood that the use of "safe" in the context of cannabis use, by definition means,: "free of danger, risk or injury".

Cannabis Is Not A Drug: Accurate Language.

From all the medico-scientific aspects, harmless cannabis is not only wrongly defined as a "drug" in any meaningful (semantic) definition of the word but also, by definition and empirical reality, wrongly proscribed as a "drug" (or other substance) under legislation regulations.

Although dictionaries vary slightly in their definitions of "drug", virtually all refer to, and rely for definition on, a drug's habit-forming, addictive properties. Webster's New World Dictionary, for example, defines "drug" as: "a narcotic, hallucinogen, especially one that is habit-forming." As is confirmed by the aforementioned medico-scientific research, cannabis contains no habit-forming properties in the plant itself or its smoke. Eviden from the most fundamental and widely inferred meaning, by definition based on empirical fact, cannabis is not a drug.

The word 'drug' derives from Old Dutch meaning dried herbs, as used in food, for healing and in the dyeing of textiles. There was no connotation of addiction. (viz: the Wealth of Nations, 1776, Adam Smith; Book One, Chapter One). In the twentieth Century, that meaning has been transformed by the specious pseudo-philosophy of Prohibition.

The invalidity of linking cannabis with "drugs" is further confirmed by the U.S. government's Bureau of Mortality Statistics. The table, below, demonstrates in the most obvious manner that cannabis by any meaningful definition, traditional or modern, is not a drug and cannabis cannot (correctly) be categorised or referred to as a drug.

COMPARISON OF CANNABIS TO OTHER SUBSTANCES
BY OFFICIAL MORTALITY STATISTICS

Sample year 1988. U.S. federal government Bureau of Mortality Statistics.

SUBSTANCE............................................NUMBER OF DEATHS PER ANNUM.
TOBACCO................................................................................ 340,000 to 425,000
ALCOHOL (not including 50% of all highway deaths
And 65% of all murders).......................................................150,000 +
ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdoses) ................................................180 to 1,000 +
CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, triggering irregular heartbeats etc) ..................1,000 to 10,000
LEGAL DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental from legal, prescribed
Patent medicines and / or mixing with alcohol) ......14,000 to 27,000
ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental from all illegal drugs).........3,8000 to 5,200
THEOPHYLLINE (Prescribed asthma drug) ..........................................................50

CANNABIS
...................................................................0


To those people in whose (financial) interests it is to perpetuate the Prohibition of Cannabis the semantically incorrect use of the word "drug" where cannabis is concerned, is a premeditated misuse of terminology. This serves strategy advantageous to Prohibitionists, and comprises a simple but effective mechanism of disinformation, by putting the harmless herb into an unjustifiable association with addictive and harmful drugs.

The reality is clear: cannabis and those pernicious substances, the drugs, are wholly unalike. As the word "drug" is wrong and inapplicable to cannabis, it is necessary to establish a correct word, veracious vocabulary, which is fitting.

From The Report of the FCDA

Because cannabis has been loosely, widely and incorrectly referred to in the past as a "drug" does not mean that this basic untruth can become acceptable. On the contrary, since the introduction of Prohibition the legal situation compels veracity and clarity more than ever, for not to articulate the truth accurately involves perjury. Yet truthful language, the truth, exposes the mendacious basis to the Crime that is this Prohibition of Cannabis

The Australian Government Report says "Cannabis has been erroneously classified as a narcotic, as a sedative and as an hallucinogen. Cannabinoids represent a UNIQUE PHARMACOLOGICAL CLASS OF COMPOUNDS"

CANNABIS IS NOT A DRUG, AND NEITHER IS IT AN INTOXICANT.

According to the Oxford Pocket Dictionary to intoxicate is to make drunk, excite, elate, beyond self-control. Unlike alcohol cannabis users do not lose self-control. Massive amounts just send them to sleep.

Intoxicants are potentially toxic, that is poisonous, with a certain overdose level often dependent on the individual. There has never been a single death directly attributed to cannabis use, in 5000 years of history, with hundreds of millions of users in the world. There is NO TOXIC AMOUNT OF CANNABIS. One theory states that an amount of 2 pounds eaten in ten minutes, an impossible feat and not certain to cause death. No animal has died of an overdose of cannabis.

Many substances which are mind-altering or mood changing are not drugs : hormones, endorphins, adrenaline.

Conscious-altering substance which we consume but which are not generally regarded as drugs include sugar, caffeine and chocolate.

CANNABIS IS NOT THC

THC or Tetrahydrocannabinol is one of many active ingredients in cannabis. It can also be produced synthetically. Organic cannabis contains over 1000 other substances; like any herb it is the holistic use of the whole herb or medicine which is vital. 30 or 40 cannabinoids have been identified. Any judgment of cannabis based on the supply of THC to patients is unfounded.

Cannabis contains THC but cannabis is not THC. It is incorrect methodologically to mix in extraneous, irrelevant THC findings, or data from isolated cannabinoids, and then make false claims relating to cannabis.

WHETHER OR NOT CANNABIS IS A DRUG IT OUGHT BE LEGALISED.


http://www.ccguide.org/isitdrug.php

Not only legalize but cannabis needs to be reclassified. Cannabis means many different things to many different people. To some it's an evil weed with no benefit, to thousands of others it's therapeutic in some form or another. Yet people cannot accept this, it's a personal choice.


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The true problem is that the stoners are so mind wasted that they can not see that they come across as brain damaged when you talk with them. It's not only when they are high its also when they are not smoking pot. They have fried their brains and think it is the greatest thing in the world.

Many claim it helps them relax or helps them mellow out along with a bunch of other junk. In truth they have a hard time copeing with reality. This goes hand in hand with many people with mental issues who self medicate with pot thinking this helps them.

For all those spouting the studies that show postive affects for people suffeering from an illness you are forgetting one thing. You are not wanting it legal for medical use you are wanting it legal for your own private use. Most have no medical reason, they just want to alter their mind along with damageing it and demand that we allow them to do so. They do not take into consideration that society will have to pay their medical cost for dealing with their mental issues along with supporting them because they can not function within society in a meaniful way.


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$1:
For all those spouting the studies that show postive affects for people suffeering from an illness you are forgetting one thing. You are not wanting it legal for medical use you are wanting it legal for your own private use. Most have no medical reason, they just want to alter their mind along with damageing it and demand that we allow them to do so. They do not take into consideration that society will have to pay their medical cost for dealing with their mental issues along with supporting them because they can not function within society in a meaniful way.


You have no idea why individuals choose to use Cannabis or why they want it legalized. What you stated above is just a load of horse shit.


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The true problem is that the stoners are so mind wasted that they can not see that they come across as brain damaged when you talk with them. It's not only when they are high its also when they are not smoking pot. They have fried their brains and think it is the greatest thing in the world.

Many claim it helps them relax or helps them mellow out along with a bunch of other junk. In truth they have a hard time copeing with reality. This goes hand in hand with many people with mental issues who self medicate with pot thinking this helps them.

For all those spouting the studies that show postive affects for people suffeering from an illness you are forgetting one thing. You are not wanting it legal for medical use you are wanting it legal for your own private use. Most have no medical reason, they just want to alter their mind along with damageing it and demand that we allow them to do so. They do not take into consideration that society will have to pay their medical cost for dealing with their mental issues along with supporting them because they can not function within society in a meaniful way.


I guess the booze has damaged your brain. ALCOHOL’S DAMAGING EFFECTS ON THE BRAIN http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm

People are already smoking pot, society is already dealing with the medical costs of that - legalizing it would allow moving resources from enforcement to treatment of those ill effects.

And those ill effects are nothing compared to the damage that booze and cigs cause. Why are you not out there demanding they be made illegal?


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You have no idea why individuals choose to use Cannabis or why they want it legalized.


Then why exactly do they? Pelase remember that you can not list what I have because it is BS.


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stratos stratos:
The true problem is that the stoners are so mind wasted that they can not see that they come across as brain damaged when you talk with them. It's not only when they are high its also when they are not smoking pot. They have fried their brains and think it is the greatest thing in the world.

Many claim it helps them relax or helps them mellow out along with a bunch of other junk. In truth they have a hard time copeing with reality. This goes hand in hand with many people with mental issues who self medicate with pot thinking this helps them.

For all those spouting the studies that show postive affects for people suffeering from an illness you are forgetting one thing. You are not wanting it legal for medical use you are wanting it legal for your own private use. Most have no medical reason, they just want to alter their mind along with damageing it and demand that we allow them to do so. They do not take into consideration that society will have to pay their medical cost for dealing with their mental issues along with supporting them because they can not function within society in a meaniful way.


While it's certainly true that some hardcore pot users most certainly come across as rather slow it's not true of the vast majority of people who enjoy the drug for recreational use.

As for your claims that people are getting high because they can't deal with reality people also drink for the same reasons. Amazing how you will demonize pot for that but leave booze legally untouched. To not be a hypocrite would mean advocating that no one should use mind alternating or mood altering substances. Good luck with that. Humans have been using drugs for a long long time.

Finally your "unable to contribute to society/selfish" argument is almost the exact arguments made for the prohibition of alcohol back in the day. Funny how when allowed to consume alcohol most people are responsible enough to use it in moderation.


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stratos stratos:
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You have no idea why individuals choose to use Cannabis or why they want it legalized.


Then why exactly do they? Pelase remember that you can not list what I have because it is BS.


I can't answer that, it's an individual choice with many differing answers. I can only speak for myself. I don't claim to speak for anyone else.


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