[RUEZ]

westmanguy westmanguy:

But that's not reason why we don't deserve equal respect, love, and treatment under the law.

You do unequivocally, deserve to be treated exactly like everyone else. Belief in a made up entity is no excuse for bigotry.

[PluggyRug]

westmanguy westmanguy:

So much irritation by this whole thread......I can't even.

None of you...well unless you're like me...can imagine what it feels like to wade through pages upon pages of debate about the very essence of your life.

I don't choose to be gay. Why on EARTH, would I choose to have this pain? Why would I CHOOSE to watch my mother break down in unstoppable tears when i told her I was gay? Why would I CHOOSE to watch my mom heave back and forth shouting "No, No, No, this can't be right, this can't be true" to only physically actually vomit at the though of her song being gay???!

Why would I CHOOSE after a hell of a 6 months with my mother to tell my father to only watch him CRY for 5 days in a row, thinking he failed as a dad and as a man. That he somehow failed to instil masculine values in his son. That I voluntarily moved out to live with my (ironically) homophobic uncle to get away from my dad's extreme depression.

Both my mother and father, thank God, came around. My mom realized, above all else the LOVE of her child was what mattered most, above religion. She is still a devout Christian, but she's worked out her faith that she knows her son is not in contravention to her beliefs. My dad took awhile, yet he realized he didn't influence me to be this way and is now my biggest advocate. I'm so thankful for the growth I've witnessed in both of them.

Why would I choose that? Why would I CHOOSE to be raised in a conservative Baptist Christian environment where I viewed my only options as:

(a) stay celibate for the rest of my life and pursue no relationships -- opposite or same sex
(b) Go into conversion therapy and try my best to pursue opposite sex relations only to string a poor innocent women (& maybe children) into my web of deceit and destroy more lives then just my own
(c) OR pursue a loving desired same-sex relationship and consign myself to an eternity in hell.


WHO THE HELL CHOOSES THIS.

Do any of you in your cosy chairs viewing this thread have any idea of how fucking painful this process is?!?!

If I had a magic pill I'd take it in an instant. I'm not some brat who isn't aware of my privilege. I awake thankful everyday I live in Canada where I can pursue my happiness without much difficulty. But, I'm still very aware that 90% of the rest of the world views me as a sick and ill deviant who is against nature and morality.

When I want to travel the world with my future husband, I know that I can't hold his hand, I have to play off "buddy buddy" best friends bullshit because of other culture and nation's disapproval of me.

I believe full 100% this man his right to freedom of speech. Yet, he doesn't have a right to a reality tv show. A&E has every right to respond how they choose. They chose to re-instate him. So be it.

I watched a few episodes. I won't watch anymore. My family won't either.

I can't support that bigotry.

I don't know why God had to have me born in such an age. I don't want to be the focus of the news... At most we're 5-10% of the population. Gay people ARE an aberration. We, cannot, biologically speaking be normal. It'd fuck over mankind. I get that. But that's not reason why we don't deserve equal respect, love, and treatment under the law. We don't convert others because we CAN'T convert.

Its a weird and eery feeling knowing you've been born to an age of transition. I know that my life is one of transition that will set the path for future little gay boys and girls to live a much, much easier life. And I'm okay with that. Because I know gay men and women before me lived far worse lives to get me to this stage.

Just the fact this is still an issue saddens me. I can't live caring that much. Still, I do. Not for me. My sensitivities are hardened. But for other vulnerable and young gay men and women. The message they receive from their parents, celebrities, leaders, culture, church, etc. will leave an unerasable mark on their soul.

Cmon Westy all here respect you. Still, I hear you loud and clear.

Now cheer up and have a Happy New Year.

[stratos]

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pursue a loving desired same-sex relationship and consign myself to an eternity in hell.

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Cmon Westy all here respect you. Still, I hear you loud and clear.

Now cheer up and have a Happy New Year.

Could not have said it better myself.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Thanos Thanos:

Doesn't matter what he said in the past. Or in the future either, no matter how stupid or insulting whatever he says turns out to be. Hands off, damn you, he's a Christian! The dogwhistle has sounded, the loyal troops/orcs arrived on cue to do their thang, another battle in the Culture War ends in, like, totally awesome triumph. To blatantly mooch from Survivor, another piece of "reality" TV dreck, the head ducker has total immunity from now on in. Yay, we win, they lose!

Here's what I don't understand about part of this. The NAACP got their panties in a twist over his comment about the Black people he worked with in the South. He was basically called a racist because he said the Black people he worked with seemed to be content. Yes, we are all aware of the abuses Black people suffered under Jim Crow. But isn't JUST as racist to insist that no White people living south of the Mason-Dixon line ever treated any Black people with respect or dignity?

This is the message the NAACP has put out there; It's racist to suggest that any Black person in the South was treated like a human being, but it's not the least bit racist to suggest that every single White person in the South treated Black people like shit.

[Thanos]

You probably won't see me defending the NAACP anywhere. And I'm sure I've been as contemptuous of race-card hustlers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as I have been about hatemongers like Rush Limpbaugh. The overall thing in the South though is, from the history I've been exposed to, that the average experience of living there for most black folks has probably been negative. Definitely not as blatant or egregious as during slavery or during the dominance of the Klan or during Jim Crow, but probably not as pleasant as non-black Americans have assumed it to be since the passage of civil rights legislation. The old negatives seem to still permeate Southern culture in a way that it doesn't elsewhere in the US. Like I said, not as blatant as during Jim Crow but it's probably not an accident either that things like the current GOP policy of making it as difficult as possible for non-GOP voters, the majority of whom are usually black, to register to vote has it's epicenter in the South. Racial animosity has always been a feature of the South and, whether out in the open with the obvious racists or hidden behind government policy, it probably always will be. The majority of Southern whites probably don't behave this way anymore but, thanks to the background environment and the antics of the genuine racists out there, none of it's ever going to really disappear forever.

My overall comments on the duckers really didn't have much to do with race, or even with gay-bashing. I was more interested in it as, like I've described, a dog-whistle phenomenon that gathered up all the usual cretins like Sarah Palin at their usual haunts like FOX where they could run through their imbecilic culture war talking points again. All in all, it was really just another day at the races for these people. The majority culture, which in reality are under no oppression at all either literally or figuratively, get to do their usual routine of how "we're the real victims in all of this". Why they do this I have no idea because, clearly, they're not the victims of anything, period, except maybe of their own ignorance. Perhaps they find this behaviour soothing, like a baby sucking it's thumb or a dog zoning out as it repetitively gnaws down a chew toy. Regardless of why it once again became just another moment where the brains got turned off and the gut emotions guided the outcome of the thing.

Regardless, as a media and political event, or as I believe a deliberately staged phony "controversy" that A&E engaged in to gather more attention and ratings for the duckers, the entire thing has been absolutely fascinating in the "typically American" sense of things.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's the relevant quote from Robertson.

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"Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues,"

Phil has a bi-racial grandson doesn't he? He grew up working in the fields with blacks. Now he has an opinion based on what he saw growing up.

I've heard blacks voice complaint concerning the dissolution of values, family, and religion in the black community. As mentioned earlier it's possible to make a fact based argument supporting Phil and the black people who already support the idea that progressives have put them back on the plantation.



Phil thinks this has made them less happy. Why should he not be allowed to agree with his black friends on this?

And for God's sakes Thanos, seriously? You don't think blacks are bright enough, or capable of figuring out how to sign up for a free government ID card to vote with? And you don't find that bigoted right. Bigotry of low expectations and all that.

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

Regardless, as a media and political event, or as I believe a deliberately staged phony "controversy" that A&E engaged in to gather more attention and ratings for the duckers, the entire thing has been absolutely fascinating in the "typically American" sense of things.

My girl Dana says this issue is important because Politics are downstream from culture. (btw you're gonna love this. She started working for the Blaze last week). Dana seems to think if you lose here, you'll lose later down the road on stuff like freedom of religion or free speech. It's an incremental, progressing, movement from culture to politics. So maybe this isn't first amendment stuff now, but lose here and it could become a catalyst.

Luckily the good guys won this time.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

As mentioned earlier it's possible to make a fact based argument supporting Phil and the black people who already support the idea that progressives have put them back on the plantation.

My God I liked it better when you used the term Lefties. Is progressives and progs the new "allowable term" from the tighty rightie whitey playbook? Every time you use the term this flashes through my mind.

[ShepherdsDog]

how bouts proglodytes

[fifeboy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

how bouts proglodytes

I like it!

[N_Fiddledog]

I still use the term lefty when that's specifically what I'm talking about. I'll use liberal but I'm a little warmer towards them. Liberals aren't necessarily Progs. I can get along with Liberals. Unfortunately they're weak and easily bullied so Progs have mostly hijacked their movement.

And PD, before you rush in huffing and puffing, and jumping up and down, you're not a Prog. Relax.

[Thanos]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Thanos Thanos:

Regardless, as a media and political event, or as I believe a deliberately staged phony "controversy" that A&E engaged in to gather more attention and ratings for the duckers, the entire thing has been absolutely fascinating in the "typically American" sense of things.

My girl Dana says this issue is important because Politics are downstream from culture. (btw you're gonna love this. She started working for the Blaze last week). Dana seems to think if you lose here, you'll lose later down the road on stuff like freedom of religion or free speech. It's an incremental, progressing, movement from culture to politics. So maybe this isn't first amendment stuff now, but lose here and it could become a catalyst.

Luckily the good guys won this time.

If you want to rub 'em out to Eva Braun feel free to do so.

[ShepherdsDog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

how bouts proglodytes

I like it!

progletariats

easier than saying unwashed, uneducated and unemployed.........and I should state unrepentant about all three

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I still use the term lefty when that's specifically what I'm talking about. I'll use liberal but I'm a little warmer towards them. Liberals aren't necessarily Progs. I can get along with Liberals. Unfortunately they're weak and easily bullied so Progs have mostly hijacked their movement.

And PD, before you rush in huffing and puffing, and jumping up and down, you're not a Prog. Relax.

You might want to get yourself one of these. They come in both red and blue but I was afraid they would set of some Pavlovian response. This is safer.

[herbie]

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Luckily the good guys won this time.

What do you mean? That shit show is still wasting airspace. If they'd cancelled it there was a 1 in 2 billion chance they'd put something worthwhile on... now there isn't even that!
No I'll shut up and resume picking on the Shitsorry Channel....