[BeaverFever]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Image in question

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Maybe a phone call is in order?

That would be a crank-call.

[Unsound]

I would request that any such call be recorded and posted here.

[smorgdonkey]

Lemmy Lemmy:

smorgdonkey smorgdonkey:

Lemmy Lemmy:

You two haven't a clue what you're talking about. So I'll stand down now.

It's tough when your BS gets faced with facts isn't it?

The auto jobs are GONE. They didn't disappear. They MOVED to Mexico where $5 per hour workers live.

And I used to work in one of the Michelin plants.

So...you've 100% mistaken who hasn't a clue.

Jesus, you're dim. Do you argue with your doctor when he gives you medical advice? Jobs that went to Mexico were replaced with better jobs, service and high-value added jobs. Go take a goddamn course in international trade before you continue your ignorant ramblings.

They were replaced with better jobs? Oh my Lord, now that takes the prize.

If you really believe that, then you don't know the meaning of 'dim' - you personify it.

Lemmy Lemmy:

"B" = people who tell you how smart they are.

Like telling people things about your education or telling other people to "go take a course".

[Lemmy]

You're not arguing against me, you're arguing against facts. Makes no difference to me what you believe.

[andyt]

Some links to back up each of your arguments would go a long way here. Surely this topic has been studied by now.

[smorgdonkey]

Lemmy Lemmy:

You're not arguing against me, you're arguing against facts. Makes no difference to me what you believe.

i am not arguing against facts. Over 30 000 auto jobs are gone from Canada and those jobs have not been replaced with better jobs.

Feel free to link me to any article which tells me about how those 30 000+ jobs have been replaced. As far as I can see, you are the only person who is writing anything about it.

I have read many things on the subject and witnessed as much with my own eyes. The jobs left and now people in Mexico make the cars, not to mention Korea has become dominant in the last 5-10 years.

[smorgdonkey]

andyt andyt:

Some links to back up each of your arguments would go a long way here. Surely this topic has been studied by now.

From 2008
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/2008/11/ ... _hand.html

MacLean's 2010
http://www.macleans.ca/economy/business/jobs-wanted/

PDF from 1013
http://www2.itif.org/2013-are-robots-taking-jobs.pdf


and as I said before, I see it with my own eyes: Michelin plants here in Nova Scotia which thrived for decades had wages/benefits/production cut all in coincidence with two plants opened in Mexico. Hell even one of the best GM plants was closed in Ontario just so the jobs could be in the USA.

[smorgdonkey]

Sweet PDF from Canadian Center for Policy Alternatives:

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/sites/ ... _nafta.pdf

Here's a dandy from 2014 though it is an American perspective, it is very applicable to us as well (NAFTA at 20):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wall ... 50207.html

an excerpt: "The study makes for a blood-boiling read. For instance, we track the specific promises made by U.S. corporations like GE, Chrysler and Caterpillar to create specific numbers of American jobs if NAFTA was approved, and reveal government data showing that instead, they fired U.S. workers and moved operations to Mexico."

and the report linked within the article:
http://www.citizen.org/documents/NAFTA-at-20.pdf


...and the reports & articles go on and on and on...


**EDIT on October 27th** Oh...and no opposing links. Yeah, it's tough being right with no "goddamn course in international trade".

[romanP]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

I don't think sexist and racist jokes should be "illegal", I just want them to be actually funny as opposed to strictly malicious, which unfortunately is how the vast majority of them come across.

Personally, I didn't call your joke sexist. Just lame

there is nothing nice about sexist or racist "jokes". they are malicious because that is the nature of sexism and racism.