[Sonic_Monkey]

"All nations want peace, but they want a peace that suits them." - Admiral Sir John Fisher.

So, I suppose we're fighting for the peace we want then.

[Newfy]

Peace may be the bigger picture but soldiers go to war because that is what they are trained to do and when they are in the middle of a fire fight they are fighting to defend themselves and their comrades and not for peace or anyother reason.

[Patrick_Ross]

Bodah Bodah:

Whats the difference then.

Does ...

Red Poppies mean we enjoy killing others and mourn our dead.

White Poppies mean we never want to kill anyone even if it means the anhilation of our own society and ourselves and mourn our dead ? You cant mourn the dead when you are infact already dead.

The white poppy means no war ever, so WWII then ? Dont say that was a different time back then, a situation can easily arise in the future where a third WW could break out the technology has changed, but as long as two human beings are left on the planet there will always be the possibility of a conflict.

WIth that this white poppy orginization aren't as morally superior as they believe they are, if push comes to shove and their family was threaten, I'd think some of them would be capable of taken another human life, hypocrites.

Actually, I would suggest that the Red Poppies signify that we mourn our dead, but recognize the historal importance of the wars we've been involved in, and recognize that at least most of them were necessary.

White Poppies, however, I would see as rejecting warfare, in particular, as a tool of foreign policy. I doubt anyone who supports White Poppies would suggest that we should lie down and surrender in the face of an aggressor (although there are certainly retards/wingnuts/cowards out there who would suggest that we do).

[Blue_Nose]

Newfy Newfy:

Peace may be the bigger picture but soldiers go to war because that is what they are trained to do and when they are in the middle of a fire fight they are fighting to defend themselves and their comrades and not for peace or anyother reason.

Then why do people say things like "they fought for our freedom"? The reason soldiers fight seems to change to suit whatever argument is being made.

Nevertheless, we'll go with your reasoning - still, the two "pictures" aren't contrary notions, just different perspectives. Neither is more or less important.

[Newfy]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Newfy Newfy:

Peace may be the bigger picture but soldiers go to war because that is what they are trained to do and when they are in the middle of a fire fight they are fighting to defend themselves and their comrades and not for peace or anyother reason.

Then why do people say things like "they fought for our freedom"? The reason soldiers fight seems to change to suit whatever argument is being made.

Nevertheless, we'll go with your reasoning - still, the two "pictures" aren't contrary notions, just different perspectives. Neither is more or less important.

Fighting for freedom is a part of it but when it comes down to rounds whizzing around your head I would say that preservation of my own life and those of my fellow soldiers would be the only thing on my mind at the time.

[Blue_Nose]

Newfy Newfy:

Fighting for freedom is a part of it but when it comes down to rounds whizzing around your head I would say that preservation of my own life and those of my fellow soldiers would be the only thing on my mind at the time.

I couldn't argue with that.

[Scrappy]

I don't understand why the peaceniks whom state we are docile and want peace and we love everyone and the trees and stuff need to defile November 11 with their tripe. They have 364 days of the year to spead what they call peace and what I call propaganda.

[Newfy]

All I can say is that it was red poppies that grew in Flanders and not white.

[Bodah]

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

I doubt anyone who supports White Poppies would suggest that we should lie down and surrender in the face of an aggressor (although there are certainly retards/wingnuts/cowards out there who would suggest that we do).[/color]

well 911 didn't happen that long ago, I dont know about you but I'd say that was an aggressive act. Ask any of the people that were related to the 26 Canadians that died that day, we didn't start this, and there's NO EXCUSE for that level of terror.

What ever area of the middle east our presence is being felt, whether well planed our not, we are there to take out the trash and to let them know the trash is there (us) for them to take out if they choose too.

Seems like once in their backyard they choose, a cowardly way of doing that, with IED's and old men walking donkeys.

So fuck the white poppy

[Regina]

"If you want peace, hug a tree. If you're thankful for peace hug a soldier."

[Blue_Nose]

lily lily:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Newfy Newfy:

Fighting for freedom is a part of it but when it comes down to rounds whizzing around your head I would say that preservation of my own life and those of my fellow soldiers would be the only thing on my mind at the time.

I couldn't argue with that.

I could.

If that's the real motivation, you'd see a lot more soldiers going AWOL.

I imagine that's there the consideration of one's fellow soldiers comes into play.

[BooM_bOOm]

The white poppy movement is a joke, the meer fact that some peace activist wants to make a quich buck off of people remembering the fallen soldiers who gave their lives so that we can be FREE makes me sick to my stomach, and will make sure to voice it to the ignorant arrogant prick wearing the poppy.

[EyeBrock]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Its a vocation and you do you're job, the one you're country asks you to do. Simple stuff really, but it appears to be a concept that those who have never served find difficult to grasp.

Okay then, your country tells you to fight, but in the big picture, it's for peace. Last time I checked, Canada's military wasn't going around invading countries, so what we do is bring peace, or attempt to do so, to our country or those we support.

It's a concept that those who merely "do their job" find difficult to grasp.

You are arguing semantics here and I don't see your point.

I, nor anybody I know who served didn't join to 'bring peace'.
Most of us joined because we were proud to serve, had a sense of nationalism and wanting to belong to what is seen by us, as an honourable cause, the defence of our country and way of life.
When we got into which ever Service, we found like-minded people and built a camaraderie that can only come with shared suffering and shared fun times.

Forgive me if I was somewhat condescending but your continual 'peace' point of view has no resonance with any of my experiences, or those of my mates who have served both in Canada and the UK, as well as a few crazy Yanks I know.

The whole white poppy thing is total bollocks and an insult to our vets and our fallen.

If you would like to further your peace agenda by way of serving or ex-military guys you are barking up the wrong tree. We don’t dig what you have to say.

As Newfy said. The poppies at Flanders were red. Nuff said.

[BooM_bOOm]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Its a vocation and you do you're job, the one you're country asks you to do. Simple stuff really, but it appears to be a concept that those who have never served find difficult to grasp.

Okay then, your country tells you to fight, but in the big picture, it's for peace. Last time I checked, Canada's military wasn't going around invading countries, so what we do is bring peace, or attempt to do so, to our country or those we support.

It's a concept that those who merely "do their job" find difficult to grasp.

You are arguing semantics here and I don't see your point.

I, nor anybody I know who served didn't join to 'bring peace'.
Most of us joined because we were proud to serve, had a sense of nationalism and wanting to belong to what is seen by us, as an honourable cause, the defence of our country and way of life.
When we got into which ever Service, we found like-minded people and built a camaraderie that can only come with shared suffering and shared fun times.

Forgive me if I was somewhat condescending but your continual 'peace' point of view has no resonance with any of my experiences, or those of my mates who have served both in Canada and the UK, as well as a few crazy Yanks I know.

The whole white poppy thing is total bollocks and an insult to our vets and our fallen.

If you would like to further your peace agenda by way of serving or ex-military guys you are barking up the wrong tree. We don’t dig what you have to say.

As Newfy said. The poppies at Flanders were red. Nuff said.

BRAVO!!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!! Finally someone else who agrees!!!!

[a1frenchy]

I haven't heard anyone say that the traditional poppy glorifies war never! I was four months old in 1941 when my father was killed in the war "I never knew him".Not only did I lose my Father ,but also two uncles to that, fu*%ng adventure. Themasta showed real class in his rant, what an asshole. If my father was here now I'm damned sure he would wear both, because he could tell the difference in the true meaning of each. I think of our vets every day, I don't wait for someone selling poppies to remind me of the sacrifices made in all conflicts involving Canada. To the tough guys on this post, grow the fuck up.