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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:02 am
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... hub=Canada
$1: Legion unhappy with white 'peace' poppies
Canadian Press
EDMONTON -- Anti-war activists selling white "peace" poppies have Edmonton members of the Royal Canadian Legion up in arms.
Harvey Shevalier, president of the legion's Alberta-Northwest Territories Command, said the poppy is a registered symbol of the legion and can't be used without permission. "The legion cannot condone it, and we cannot accept any attempt to use this poppy without authority or approval," he said.
The poppies - which have white leaves and the word "peace" in the middle - are not just a symbol of opposition to the war, they also pay tribute to the pain of those who have lost someone in war.
Proponents of the white poppies say the two symbols can co-exist.
But Shevalier said Nov. 11 has a very clear purpose of remembering Canada's nearly 117,000 war dead.
"The unfortunate decision by these individuals, or organization, to use the national Day of Remembrance as a focus for a fundraising project of promotion of an ideal is completely inappropriate and unacceptable," he said in a release.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:10 am
Fuck the White Poppies.
I will personally take my RED Poppy and stab any fuck in the eye who thinks it's okay to wear a fucking white poppy on the day we remember the fallen.
This will make you sick:
http://www.whitepoppy.org/
Fucking sick assholes.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:17 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada: Fuck the White Poppies. I will personally take my RED Poppy and stab any fuck in the eye who thinks it's okay to wear a fucking white poppy on the day we remember the fallen. This will make you sick: http://www.whitepoppy.org/Fucking sick assholes. These peace nik hippies piss me off. Do they actually think people like war? Remembrance day isn't about we beat you or who's beliefs are better. It's all about those soldiers fought for us and others and they deserve our recognition. That's it. If you want everlasting peace take it up on some other day. I can get down with that too.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:26 am
Actually, I support both poppies.
My take on the matter is that the only reason that many veterans oppose the white poppies is because they're old-fashioned -- we can't fault them for that.
All the same,
$1: ‘War is a crime against humanity. I renounce war, and am therefore determined not to support any kind of war. I am also determined to work for the removal of all causes of war.’
I hate to be the one to point this out, but almost the same message as the red poppies. And if you'd care to explain to me what is so sick about a "culture of peace"...
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:32 am
$1: White Poppy - origins
The idea of an alternative poppy dates back to 1926, just a few years after the red poppy came to be used in Britain. A member of the No More War Movement suggested that the British Legion should be asked to imprint 'No More War' in the centre of the red poppies and failing this pacifists should make their own flowers.
In 1933 the Co-operative Women's Guild produced the first white poppies to be worn on Armistice Day (later called Remembrance Day). The Guild stressed that the white poppy was not intended as an insult to those who died in the First World War - a war in which many of the women lost husbands, brothers, sons and lovers. The following year the Peace Pledge Union joined the CWG in the distribution of the poppies and later took over their annual promotion.
Perhaps they should have a different date for it but then the historical significance would be out of context. I like the look of the white poppies.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:33 am
Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross: Actually, I support both poppies.
My take on the matter is that the only reason that many veterans oppose the white poppies is because they're old-fashioned -- we can't fault them for that.
All the same,$1: ‘War is a crime against humanity. I renounce war, and am therefore determined not to support any kind of war. I am also determined to work for the removal of all causes of war.’ I hate to be the one to point this out, but almost the same message as the red poppies. And if you'd care to explain to me what is so sick about a "culture of peace"...
The sickening thing about the White Poppies is that they ARE disgracing our troops. If they didn't want to disgrace them, why wear them on Remembrance Day? Note the base word in that, REMEMBRANCE of the great Canadian Troops who died for our country, NOT for a bunch of hippies to walk around screaming "Peace" because "War is wrong".
These hippies refuse the red poppy for the White one because they do not recognise the sacrifice their countrymen have given inorder to let them prance around with their picket signs and bullshit.
I'm sure Calgree will love these 'peace poppies'.
Sure, go for peace. Whatever. Why must you Hijack OUR holiday? Why can't you do some day?
Fuck, choose sometihng like January First. No one's using that.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:42 am
The irony is that those fucking liberal hippy douchebags wouldn't be able to peddle their bullshit if it hadn't been for the sacrifice of those we wear the red poppy to remember. If I see one of those ignorant fuckers trying to sell their white poppies I'm going to punch them in the face and ask,"How does that fucking taste you ignorant piece of dog shit. The only reason you were born was because your dad used your mom's panties to wipe off with after he was done jacking off and your mom happened to slap them on by fucking mistake!"
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Hester
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:20 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada: Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross: Actually, I support both poppies.
My take on the matter is that the only reason that many veterans oppose the white poppies is because they're old-fashioned -- we can't fault them for that.
All the same,$1: ‘War is a crime against humanity. I renounce war, and am therefore determined not to support any kind of war. I am also determined to work for the removal of all causes of war.’ I hate to be the one to point this out, but almost the same message as the red poppies. And if you'd care to explain to me what is so sick about a "culture of peace"... The sickening thing about the White Poppies is that they ARE disgracing our troops. If they didn't want to disgrace them, why wear them on Remembrance Day? Note the base word in that, REMEMBRANCE of the great Canadian Troops who died for our country, NOT for a bunch of hippies to walk around screaming "Peace" because "War is wrong". These hippies refuse the red poppy for the White one because they do not recognise the sacrifice their countrymen have given inorder to let them prance around with their picket signs and bullshit. I'm sure Calgree will love these 'peace poppies'. Sure, go for peace. Whatever. Why must you Hijack OUR holiday? Why can't you do some day? Fuck, choose sometihng like January First. No one's using that.
What Canadian isn't in favour of peace? You should renounce your uber-Canuck medal. You're a little embarrassing.
I'm a Canadian troop. In the Navy, mind you, off the horn of Africa on Op Altair. I'm not here to make war, I'm here for the peace and I do not feel disgraced by the white poppy. I want one and I would wear it with the red poppy. I would wear it on my uniform whether it was authorized or not. I want you to take two minutes on Remembrance Day to remember what our great Canadian Troops died for.
Those who offer the white poppy are not saying do not wear the red poppy. Those who offer the red poppy don't have the same message. One of my biggest pet peeves are those who have no tolerance for anyone else. The Legion falls into the category. Again.
PS: Remembrance Day is not YOUR day, and it most certainly is NOT a holiday.
PPS: January 1st is New Year's Day. You might not know that until you hit 18 (or 19 - depending on what province you live in.)
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Hester
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:24 am
themasta themasta: The irony is that those fucking liberal hippy douchebags wouldn't be able to peddle their bullshit if it hadn't been for the sacrifice of those we wear the red poppy to remember. If I see one of those ignorant fuckers trying to sell their white poppies I'm going to punch them in the face and ask,"How does that fucking taste you ignorant piece of dog shit. The only reason you were born was because your dad used your mom's panties to wipe off with after he was done jacking off and your mom happened to slap them on by fucking mistake!"
You've been waiting a long time to use that one, huh?
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:29 am
Hester Hester: themasta themasta: The irony is that those fucking liberal hippy douchebags wouldn't be able to peddle their bullshit if it hadn't been for the sacrifice of those we wear the red poppy to remember. If I see one of those ignorant fuckers trying to sell their white poppies I'm going to punch them in the face and ask,"How does that fucking taste you ignorant piece of dog shit. The only reason you were born was because your dad used your mom's panties to wipe off with after he was done jacking off and your mom happened to slap them on by fucking mistake!" You've been waiting a long time to use that one, huh?
I liked it. 
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:39 am
Hester Hester: Mr_Canada Mr_Canada: Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross: Actually, I support both poppies.
My take on the matter is that the only reason that many veterans oppose the white poppies is because they're old-fashioned -- we can't fault them for that.
All the same,$1: ‘War is a crime against humanity. I renounce war, and am therefore determined not to support any kind of war. I am also determined to work for the removal of all causes of war.’ I hate to be the one to point this out, but almost the same message as the red poppies. And if you'd care to explain to me what is so sick about a "culture of peace"... The sickening thing about the White Poppies is that they ARE disgracing our troops. If they didn't want to disgrace them, why wear them on Remembrance Day? Note the base word in that, REMEMBRANCE of the great Canadian Troops who died for our country, NOT for a bunch of hippies to walk around screaming "Peace" because "War is wrong". These hippies refuse the red poppy for the White one because they do not recognise the sacrifice their countrymen have given inorder to let them prance around with their picket signs and bullshit. I'm sure Calgree will love these 'peace poppies'. Sure, go for peace. Whatever. Why must you Hijack OUR holiday? Why can't you do some day? Fuck, choose sometihng like January First. No one's using that. What Canadian isn't in favour of peace? You should renounce your uber-Canuck medal. You're a little embarrassing. I'm a Canadian troop. In the Navy, mind you, off the horn of Africa on Op Altair. I'm not here to make war, I'm here for the peace and I do not feel disgraced by the white poppy. I want one and I would wear it with the red poppy. I would wear it on my uniform whether it was authorized or not. I want you to take two minutes on Remembrance Day to remember what our great Canadian Troops died for. Those who offer the white poppy are not saying do not wear the red poppy. Those who offer the red poppy don't have the same message. One of my biggest pet peeves are those who have no tolerance for anyone else. The Legion falls into the category. Again. PS: Remembrance Day is not YOUR day, and it most certainly is NOT a holiday. PPS: January 1st is New Year's Day. You might not know that until you hit 18 (or 19 - depending on what province you live in.)
I didn't say Canadians were not in favour of peace.
I didn't say that the troops are war mongerers.
Little disturbing that you find my supporting of remembrance 'embarrassing' or 'Anti-Canadian'...
My saying "our" I mean those who agually support the true meaning of the 'day'.
Though, a holiday is a day when people don't goto work so they can do the traditions of that day, and many provinces do that... Eh.
Yes, of course, daft moment, excuse me. New Years. How about something in March then... Or they could get rid of Valintines Day. That'd make everyone happy.
I support the true meaning of the Day. I atleast wish for it not to be Hi-Jacked. Remembrance Day is Remembering those Canadians who protected our country and other countries from evil and died for what they wanted to protect and loved. Not to promote peace. Peace is fine. I like peace. Sure war is wrong in some cases. But please, for the love of god, don't hijack Remembrance Day. Create a Peace Day.
Thank you for serving our country, by the way.
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Hester
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:19 am
Mr_Canada Mr_Canada: I atleast wish for it not to be Hi-Jacked. Remembrance Day is Remembering those Canadians who protected our country and other countries from evil and died for what they wanted to protect and loved. Not to promote peace. Peace is fine. I like peace. Sure war is wrong in some cases. But please, for the love of god, don't hijack Remembrance Day. Create a Peace Day.
What did they protect and love? They loved Canada and they died for our freedom and they died to create peace in our lifetime. I'm a little disturbed by continual attempts to disassociate our veterans, the World Wars, and Remembrance Day from peace.
Any opportunity to promote peace, whether it be by Remembrance Day, going to war/not going to war, or wearing a white poppy, should be exploited to its full potential. The one thing we need a lot more of is peace.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:26 am
Hester Hester: Mr_Canada Mr_Canada: Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross: Actually, I support both poppies.
My take on the matter is that the only reason that many veterans oppose the white poppies is because they're old-fashioned -- we can't fault them for that.
All the same,$1: ‘War is a crime against humanity. I renounce war, and am therefore determined not to support any kind of war. I am also determined to work for the removal of all causes of war.’ I hate to be the one to point this out, but almost the same message as the red poppies. And if you'd care to explain to me what is so sick about a "culture of peace"... The sickening thing about the White Poppies is that they ARE disgracing our troops. If they didn't want to disgrace them, why wear them on Remembrance Day? Note the base word in that, REMEMBRANCE of the great Canadian Troops who died for our country, NOT for a bunch of hippies to walk around screaming "Peace" because "War is wrong". These hippies refuse the red poppy for the White one because they do not recognise the sacrifice their countrymen have given inorder to let them prance around with their picket signs and bullshit. I'm sure Calgree will love these 'peace poppies'. Sure, go for peace. Whatever. Why must you Hijack OUR holiday? Why can't you do some day? Fuck, choose sometihng like January First. No one's using that. What Canadian isn't in favour of peace? You should renounce your uber-Canuck medal. You're a little embarrassing. I'm a Canadian troop. In the Navy, mind you, off the horn of Africa on Op Altair. I'm not here to make war, I'm here for the peace and I do not feel disgraced by the white poppy. I want one and I would wear it with the red poppy. I would wear it on my uniform whether it was authorized or not. I want you to take two minutes on Remembrance Day to remember what our great Canadian Troops died for. Those who offer the white poppy are not saying do not wear the red poppy. Those who offer the red poppy don't have the same message. One of my biggest pet peeves are those who have no tolerance for anyone else. The Legion falls into the category. Again. PS: Remembrance Day is not YOUR day, and it most certainly is NOT a holiday. PPS: January 1st is New Year's Day. You might not know that until you hit 18 (or 19 - depending on what province you live in.)
Very nicely put, Hester.
Sorry Mr.C, but I think you've kinda missed the boat on this one...
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:07 am
The white poppy might have a place but not next to the red one. The red poppy is not about the present wars. It’s about the sacrifices made by our veterans. The ultimate sacrifice.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:49 am
-Mario- -Mario-: The white poppy might have a place but not next to the red one. The red poppy is not about the present wars. It’s about the sacrifices made by our veterans. The ultimate sacrifice. Exactly (Congrats on 7000 Mario  )
The white poppy is a good idea in principle, but isn't this what the Red poppy is for? We remember the troops who gave their lives for peace. Who gave us peace through their own sacrifice. Wearing this makes it redundant.
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