[Canadian_Mind]

what makes a real canadian ridenrain?

anyways; my opinion is that possesing a handgun, whether loaded or unloaded in public should be illegal unles you have a licence to carry a firearm. to qualify for this licence the authorities would have to do an extensive background check on you aswell as obtain medical reports for the past 5 years (illigal drugs in system).

if you pass these, aswell as any tests or other prerequisits you have to take then by all means you can have a handgun in public. I also firmly believe we should be allowed a loaded handgun should be allowed in the home for protection against home inviasion.

I personally feel the minimal 10 years is too harsh. maybe 5 years? you got to remember the costs involved. i'm all for throwing those in jail who deserve to be thrown in jail. but money is needed for other things aswell.

[fatbasturd]

ThePolitician ThePolitician:

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

ThePolitician ThePolitician:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Its amusing the right wing folk would never want to spend their tax dollars on social programs, crime prevention or libraries,

but are happy to spend more money on jails and police.

Helping people get educated and out of poverty by spending $40K on them might be a better investment then letting them rot in the streets and end up in jail for 10 years at a cost of about $1,000,000 dollars.

I have no problem putting criminals in jail. I just have a problem paying for it. Its tough to pay taxes when your behind bars.

How many hand outs do you have to give people Donny?

There are way too many dollars wasted in social programs that aren't used already, why throw more money in the crapper?

These people just have to get it through their thick skulls that to suceed in life you have to work hard and keep your nose clean. You don't need to come from money to make money.

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These people just have to get it through their thick skulls that to suceed in life you have to work hard and keep your nose clean. You don't need to come from money to make money.

Your right but not everbody is born with a silver spoon up their arse...Try getting in to any higher education system when all you have is a welfare check stub backing you up....the rules in this country are ,the rich get the breaks and the poor get just enough to keep them alive....you know it's an world image thing wouldn't look good if we didn't at least give them kool-aid and kraft dinner.

Check my last sentence Fat; it says " You don't need to come from money to make money". Who says you need a post secondary education to succeed?
Even if you do, that's why there is student loans.

My family didn't have two cents to rub together, that didn't stop me or my sibling to push forward in our own careers.

I am way to exhausted to make a reply to this at the moment but I do wish to countine this with you

[fatbasturd]

Tricks Tricks:

Fat, My dad was definately not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. When he was in high school, he worked his ass off, and I mean worked like a beast. He got a full scholarship to western. If they actually try, they can do the same, they just say they can't because they are not rich.

I am really glad to hear that tricks...it is nice to hear every once in awhile that some people get a break for putting in the effort.
However just do the math....scholarships vs poor and tell me if you think it is balanced.

[Tricks]

fatbasturd fatbasturd:

Tricks Tricks:

Fat, My dad was definately not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. When he was in high school, he worked his ass off, and I mean worked like a beast. He got a full scholarship to western. If they actually try, they can do the same, they just say they can't because they are not rich.

I am really glad to hear that tricks...it is nice to hear every once in awhile that some people get a break for putting in the effort.
However just do the math....scholarships vs poor and tell me if you think it is balanced.

I agree. It isn't fair, but when people say they can't succeed because there weren't born into a rich family, they just don't try.

[2Cdo]

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my opinion is that possesing a handgun, whether loaded or unloaded in public should be illegal unles you have a licence to carry a firearm.

It is already illegal to possess a handgun, loaded or not, in public. If you own a handgun and wish to visit your approved gun club to target shoot you must get a transport permit from police. Then you must go directly to said club and call police when you get there. No stopping for Timmies! Same thing when going home after shooting.

While spouting nonsense, it is obvious you don't have a clue about Canadian gun laws, you talk about extensive background checks. We have that for any Possession and Acquisition licence, better hope your EX- wife doesn't have it in for you or you will not get your licence! But then, after all this extensive background checks you think people should be allowed to have a LOADED firearm in the house! Apparently for the home invasion that happens to everyone once a week! You are in fact an idiot who really has no idea about the subject at hand!

[VitaminC]

Tricks Tricks:

Fat, My dad was definately not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. When he was in high school, he worked his ass off, and I mean worked like a beast. He got a full scholarship to western. If they actually try, they can do the same, they just say they can't because they are not rich.

Tuition fees today are in a completely different league than what they were 20-30 years ago, when I assume your dad went to school......I got about $6000 in scholarships this year, and I still needed a $9000 loan to make it through.......I only got it because I was able to have my parents co-sign the loan.....

It is possible to get through school on scholarships + jobs (halfway between part time and full time).....The more hours you work your job, the lower your marks will be.....

So someone who has to work a job while they go to school has a disadvantage right off the bat because they can't put in the same amount of time to their school work as everyone else.......

Tuition = $4000/year
Living expenses is like $6000 (if you eat kraft dinner everynight) to $9000 (if you eat healthy food and like to have some money to use for having fun)....

so $13,000 x 4 years is $52,000......There might be 100 people in Canada who get that much money from scholarships......don't kid yourself we are moving towards a society where only the rich can get University educations.......20 years ago was a completely different world.......I'll be ending my schooling with over $50,000 of debt......

[fatbasturd]

VitaminC VitaminC:

Tricks Tricks:

Fat, My dad was definately not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. When he was in high school, he worked his ass off, and I mean worked like a beast. He got a full scholarship to western. If they actually try, they can do the same, they just say they can't because they are not rich.

Tuition fees today are in a completely different league than what they were 20-30 years ago, when I assume your dad went to school......I got about $6000 in scholarships this year, and I still needed a $9000 loan to make it through.......I only got it because I was able to have my parents co-sign the loan.....

It is possible to get through school on scholarships + jobs (halfway between part time and full time).....The more hours you work your job, the lower your marks will be.....

So someone who has to work a job while they go to school has a disadvantage right off the bat because they can't put in the same amount of time to their school work as everyone else.......

Tuition = $4000/year
Living expenses is like $6000 (if you eat kraft dinner everynight) to $9000 (if you eat healthy food and like to have some money to use for having fun)....

so $13,000 x 4 years is $52,000......There might be 100 people in Canada who get that much money from scholarships......don't kid yourself we are moving towards a society where only the rich can get University educations.......20 years ago was a completely different world.......I'll be ending my schooling with over $50,000 of debt......

[Scape]

Here is the raw data in BC if you need reference

[Jayimcdn]

Stop crying about people not giving you everything. So what you have to work for money to go to school, poor baby. When comparing the fees we pay for school now, I hope you are taking into account inflation. Fees have not changed much from what they were 20-30 years ago.

[ridenrain]

Get back on topic, people.
All this whining about Tuition sonds like a bunch of dippers.

[VitaminC]

Jayimcdn Jayimcdn:

Stop crying about people not giving you everything. So what you have to work for money to go to school, poor baby. When comparing the fees we pay for school now, I hope you are taking into account inflation. Fees have not changed much from what they were 20-30 years ago.

LOL....yeah they have..

Who has complained here? Not me.....

I could have gotten a job in a factory and ending up making OK money $26/hour for the rest of my life......I could have saved up $50k and put a down payment on a house instead of having a $50k debt.....

I chose my debt so I can have the freedom to pursue a career that will give me some satisfaction in life.....

I also have made choices during my summers that mean I don't make as much money as other people.....I usually end up working summer jobs that only pay enough to support me during the summer, and not enough to save up anything......

Another thing, is the idea of living at home vs not living at home......It is pretty easy to pay for school if you live with your parents and work.......But that is not an option for everybody...

[Motorcycleboy]

VitaminC VitaminC:

Tuition fees today are in a completely different league than what they were 20-30 years ago, when I assume your dad went to school......I got about $6000 in scholarships this year, and I still needed a $9000 loan to make it through.......I only got it because I was able to have my parents co-sign the loan.....

It is possible to get through school on scholarships + jobs (halfway between part time and full time).....The more hours you work your job, the lower your marks will be.....

So someone who has to work a job while they go to school has a disadvantage right off the bat because they can't put in the same amount of time to their school work as everyone else.......

Tuition = $4000/year
Living expenses is like $6000 (if you eat kraft dinner everynight) to $9000 (if you eat healthy food and like to have some money to use for having fun)....

so $13,000 x 4 years is $52,000......There might be 100 people in Canada who get that much money from scholarships......don't kid yourself we are moving towards a society where only the rich can get University educations.......20 years ago was a completely different world.......I'll be ending my schooling with over $50,000 of debt......

Oh, stop it. That's just absolute nonsense. My father went to university in the 1950's. He earned a degree as a CA and it cost him far more than his first house did in 1969. That's in actual dollars, not adjusted ones.

Ask yourself this. Is your education likely to cost you more now than a house in Toronto will 16 years from now?

Besides that, higher tuition fees aren't necessarily a bad thing. There was an interesting study in New Zealand several years ago that showed that despite a significant increase in tuition fees in that country, enrollments rose, enrollments among lower income students rose, and the quality of education (read students taking their time at school more seriously due to the heavier investment they'd made) rose.

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/boo ... ocque.pdf#

On top of all that, you're whining. Young people in Canada have never had things so good. The economy is red hot, and has been since the mid-1990's. Compare your situation to that of graduates from the 1980's who were leaving this country's educational institutions to find freezes on all government hiring and double digit unemployment. Or try being a grad from the 1970's, who faced the same double digit unemployment and 21 per cent interest rates to boot.

God students are sucks!

[Tricks]

uh Vit C, he had complete tuition paid. He got a 93 average in OAC.

[Motorcycleboy]

If the Conservatives are smart, they'll save their justice reforms till next year. That way, they can force an election on a law and order platform and paint the Liberals and NDP as the soft-ass, Hug-a-Thug types they truly are.

If they're really smart, they'll put it off till the fall session of 2007. By then the Libs will have a new leader (hopefully Belinda) and Toronto, Edmonton and Vancouver will be realing after another summer of gun violence.

I'm sure the populations of those cities will be eager to hear Belinda explain why it's a good idea to let Crips out of jail earlier!

[Knoss]

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Aboot the only thing I have to say in this is that jail systems seem to be way to relaxed. It should be a nice little hell for them to go to, a place they NEVER want to go back to, I think that would be a great deterrant. And minimum security prisons? Whats that about? Whats even the point? Its like a club med.....mind you I have never been to prison so this is all based on what I have seen and heard. In any case, no prisoner should have any luxuries.

Prisons must be primaraly designed to ensure public saftey not creat a little hell.