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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:00 am
 


Opposition inclined to block gun bill
Mandatory minimum sentences likely to face Charter challenge, MPs say


Janice Tibbetts
The Ottawa Citizen


Sunday, March 26, 2006


The federal opposition is sending signals it will block Conservative plans to impose automatic jail terms for a variety of gun-related crimes unless the stiff terms are watered down.

The legislation, expected to be introduced this spring, is one of the Tory government's key items in an ambitious law-and-order agenda and it represents the government's greatest justice hope in a divided Parliament.

The proposal will call for mandatory sentences of up to 10 years for more than two dozen crimes involving guns if the Conservatives follow through on their election promises as expected.

The opposition, while willing to deal with the governing party to fight a spate of gun violence in urban centres, say the Conservative penalties could run afoul of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms' guarantee that the punishment must be proportional to the crime.

"If we go to 10 years, all we're doing is providing a long court challenge that is probably going to be successful in striking it down, so I don't see us as a country engaging in that kind of activity," said NDP justice critic Joe Comartin.

Sue Barnes, the Liberal justice critic, suggested the Conservative penalties are "draconian" measures that would have to be diluted to survive a court challenge.

The Bloc Quebecois could not be reached, but the party has repeatedly focused on prevention rather than punishment to fight crime and is expected to carve out a law-and-order position on the left wing of the fractured Parliament.

The NDP and Liberals say the proposals must go hand in hand with anti-crime programs, such as programs to deter young people from joining gangs, to garner their support.

There are already 29 minimum mandatory sentences in Canada's Criminal Code, 20 of which were imposed in 1995 gun-control legislation that increased punishment for crimes committed with firearms. The automatic jail terms for firearms crimes range from one to four years.

During the recent election campaign, the Liberals proposed doubling a handful of minimum penalties to two years from one.

The NDP went a bit further, proposing automatic jail terms for illegal possession, sale and importation of restricted weapons be raised to four years from the current one-year term.

The Conservative plan, as it exists in the party's election platform, calls for new or increased jail terms for 26 crimes involving guns, including five years for possession of a loaded, restricted or prohibited weapon such as a handgun. Other offences that currently carry a one-year minimum would be increased to five years and four-year minimums would increase to 10.

Mike Storeshaw, a spokesman for Justice Minister Vic Toews, said any bill would reflect the platform, subject to approval by the federal cabinet.

One factor working in the Conservatives' favour is that no party wants to be seen as opposing a bill on firearms crimes at a time when there is public concern across the country, particularly in such cities as the Liberal bastion of Toronto.

The opposition parties are also already seeking compromises with the government in other areas, such as child care, so they may be willing to make extra concessions on fighting crime.

There is a consensus among criminologists that minimum jail terms, which eliminate discretion for judges to impose sentences they see fit, do not deter crime.



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Anyone sick of these ball less people?

Maybe a shooting in parliament will get the point across.





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$1:
In 1999-2000, expenditures on federal corrections in Canada totalled about 1.36 billion dollars, an increase from 1.15 billion in 1995-1996. This does not include provincial/territorial expenditures, which have a similar pattern of increase.

The cost of maintaining a male prisoner in 1999-2000, was about $185.44/day or $67, 686/year, whereas in 1999-2000, the cost of maintaining a woman prisoner was about $316.34/day or $115, 465/year.


Human and Fiscal Costs of Prison in Canada

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Some people need to be removed from the public if they break the law, and if they do it again they need to be removed permanently. Problem solved.

So you think it's a money issue? How very Liberal of you.

Maybe we should cut some useless Liberal social programs to deal with this.

Unf’nbelievable you people are.


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hwacker hwacker:
Some people need to be removed from the public if they break the law, and if they do it again they need to be removed permanently. Problem solved.

So you think it's a money issue? How very Liberal of you.

Maybe we should cut some useless Liberal social programs to deal with this.

Unf’nbelievable you people are.


Damn right, Hwacker!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:58 am
 


Yes, hwacker. Like I have been saying this whole time, the Liberals ran this great country into the ground. NDP sitting beside them, well fuck them. The con want to change our laws, we voted them in remember on this platform, so let them do it. For one I want to see longer jail terms, this country is way to relaxed, people have no detariant. Librals can all kiss my ass.


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I was just going to post that. Fast work Hwacker!

Classic BS party politics.
I'm going to wsend this to my MP and see if she can use her NDP weasle words to prevent anymore drug gang shootings. I'm sure the innocent bystanders will definately respect the rights of the punks.

Donny_Brasco: Granted those numbers are bad so maybe we need to find a way to cut costs? Maybe we need to stop treat criminals better than our seniors and veterans.





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Its amusing the right wing folk would never want to spend their tax dollars on social programs, crime prevention or libraries,

but are happy to spend more money on jails and police.

Helping people get educated and out of poverty by spending $40K on them might be a better investment then letting them rot in the streets and end up in jail for 10 years at a cost of about $1,000,000 dollars.

I have no problem putting criminals in jail. I just have a problem paying for it. Its tough to pay taxes when your behind bars.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:21 am
 


Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Helping people get educated and out of poverty by spending $40K on them might be a better investment then letting them rot in the streets and end up in jail for 10 years at a cost of about $1,000,000 dollars.


You have a problem with gun toting thugs doing real jail time huh?

Tell that to the victims of these maniacs after having a gun pointed in your face and robbed when you see them on the streets in less than a year.

Tell them your doing them a financial favor by not locking them up for a longer period of time.


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Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Its amusing the right wing folk would never want to spend their tax dollars on social programs, crime prevention or libraries,

but are happy to spend more money on jails and police.

Helping people get educated and out of poverty by spending $40K on them might be a better investment then letting them rot in the streets and end up in jail for 10 years at a cost of about $1,000,000 dollars.

I have no problem putting criminals in jail. I just have a problem paying for it. Its tough to pay taxes when your behind bars.
It is up to every person in their own to get educated. I cant hold your hand for ever, so get up and take the responsibility for your self. "Give a man a fish, he is not hungry for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he never goes hungry." People are just lazy, get up there are programs in place to help with education, so suck it up and do the research (f***in Liberals).


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:27 am
 


Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:
Its amusing the right wing folk would never want to spend their tax dollars on social programs, crime prevention or libraries,

but are happy to spend more money on jails and police.

Helping people get educated and out of poverty by spending $40K on them might be a better investment then letting them rot in the streets and end up in jail for 10 years at a cost of about $1,000,000 dollars.

I have no problem putting criminals in jail. I just have a problem paying for it. Its tough to pay taxes when your behind bars.


Social programmes ....libraries....crime prevention is all the left wing know about....HELLO...HELLO.... it's not working. It's about time you replaced your rose coloured glasses.

Today is criminal day at your new library, please turn up and enjoy the benefits of our tax dollars. The newly built section contains many books on how to commit a gun crime and get away with it.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:02 pm
 


First 10 years is to short, all sentances should be until the criminal is highly unlikely to reoffend. During this time they should be doing hard labour to earn their keep.

Both sides are over emphasizing the education, there should be education subsidized through High School, and possibly into Post-Secondary for fields in which we are short...


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Donny: Agreed, prevention through edjucation is cheaper than prison but how do we do that? When a punk with marginal skils can make a great deal of money selling drugs, how do we convince him that it would be better to work at WalMart?
Many of the criminals with guns caught in Van are drug related. They fear getting caught without a gun, by their enemys, more than getting caught by the police , with a gun. Simply put, that is the problem.
SInce we in Van are unable or unwilling to do anything about drugs, maybe we can do something against gun crime. Pack a gun = do some time.


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ridenrain ridenrain:
Donny: Agreed, prevention through edjucation is cheaper than prison but how do we do that? When a punk with marginal skils can make a great deal of money selling drugs, how do we convince him that it would be better to work at WalMart?
Many of the criminals with guns caught in Van are drug related. They fear getting caught without a gun, by their enemys, more than getting caught by the police , with a gun. Simply put, that is the problem.
SInce we in Van are unable or unwilling to do anything about drugs, maybe we can do something against gun crime. Pack a gun = do some time.

mayby we need to make them scared of police

allow them to rough up criminals with guns a bit


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:44 pm
 


Is that bait?
No. That's definately not what we need.
Police need to be kept on a short leash but we definetely need the judges to change their perspective.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:56 pm
 


To put this in perspective:
During the election, Paul Martin & the Liberals were pushing the idea of a handgun ban. The state taking the legal property of law abiding citizens!
and Sue Barnes, the Liberal justice critic, suggested the Conservative penalties are "draconian"?

This is just another example of Libs / NDP ignorance of the opinions of real Canadians.


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