[Scape]

poquas poquas:

Scape Scape:

DrRosen DrRosen:

I dont like the partisan aspects of senate apoointment but its still cheaper then reforming the whole system.

I think Harper having the new appointments swear to an 8 year term is a way around that. Perhaps instead of Iggy hiding behind the provinces and in fact putting it on the record that no senator will be appointed without agreeing to a limit would do a great deal to solve this impasse and not going into consitutional talks ala Meech Lake.

The terms Harper claims to have sworn the Senators to, has no standing in law whatsoever. A senator is “entitled” sit until their 75th birthday. If he really wanted to take the high ground, he wouldn’t fill the seats at all. All the bills he claimed the Senate screwed with was bullshit. The bills were still in the house and are now history since he decided to invoke the latest parliamentary holiday.

The prorogue only hit the pause button. It's a simple procedure to reintroduce the same bills but the process is slowed down by the repetition. Also, even though the senate is entitled it would be political suicide for the CPC if these senators stay on one day longer then their agreement. It's like a gentleman agreement and if this bond is broken as well then the currency of credibility the CPC have stock in would collapse. You can only chant the meme but the libs did it too only so often.

[commanderkai]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, I can't say I'm too happy about it, but every cloud has a silver lining. In this case it's seeing all the rank and file Conservatives on this board in the last two weeks come out wholeheartedly in favour of:

(a) giving politicians time off with pay at the whim of eh Prime Minister, and
(b) an unelected senate with appointments are made at the whim of the PM.

Wait, Conservatives are in favor of the Prime Minister to use the various powers attributed to the office to his/his party/his agenda's advantage? No. The horror.

Sigh, Scape is right that the "Gentleman's Agreement" about the eight year term is noble, and could set an interesting precedent for the system. It's seemingly a simpler way than trying to get through Constitutional reform within Canada (nigh impossible, considering the system). That being said, us "rank and file" Conservatives aren't going to get all pissed off at the Prime Minster for being the Prime Minster.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You sir, are in no place to call anyone a partisan hack. The amount of time you spend dodging questions and discussions while dishing out poor attempts to be witty, you could participate like an adult.

See, Zip, many of us here don't agree on much, but we can debate and discuss things and answer one another.

Try it sometime.

And do us all a favour and drop the whole Derby line "I'm a liberal not a Liberal" routine. Grow a pair of nuts and stand up for the party you support. Coward.

"...but we can debate and discuss things and answer one another"? Are you serious? You just called me a coward. How is that debating anything? Listen to yourself.

[OnTheIce]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

You sir, are in no place to call anyone a partisan hack. The amount of time you spend dodging questions and discussions while dishing out poor attempts to be witty, you could participate like an adult.

See, Zip, many of us here don't agree on much, but we can debate and discuss things and answer one another.

Try it sometime.

And do us all a favour and drop the whole Derby line "I'm a liberal not a Liberal" routine. Grow a pair of nuts and stand up for the party you support. Coward.

"...but we can debate and discuss things and answer one another"? Are you serious? You just called me a coward. How is that debating anything? Listen to yourself.

And puh-leeze quit hounding me from thread to thread. It's creepy.

You can't debate or have a discussion. I'm going to treat you like the child that you are, hence the 'coward' statement.

As for the 'hounding' you.....get over yourself. Just because we happen to post in the same topics doesn't mean I'm 'hounding' you...wow, talk about ego.

[Scape]

Get a room you two.

[EyeBrock]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, I can't say I'm too happy about it, but every cloud has a silver lining. In this case it's seeing all the rank and file Conservatives on this board in the last two weeks come out wholeheartedly in favour of:

(a) giving politicians time off with pay at the whim of eh Prime Minister, and
(b) an unelected senate with appointments are made at the whim of the PM.

And Liberals complaining that the PM is exercising too much power and is busy playing politics instead of running the country.

As a matter of fact, over the last two months, the Liberals sound like the Conservatives and the Conservatives sound like the Liberals. Not that the partisan hacks would notice, because a precondition of being a partisan hack is having a memory not longer than four months.

They're pretty much all the same once they get into power, folks, in case you haven't noticed.

I think I've made the comparison before. Chretien and Harper are very similar in leadership style and tactics.

[CommanderSock]

Well, now the Cons are in power put their own senators in power, the Liberals will bitch, they might even ask for Senate reform.

When the Libs are in power they'll do it too, put some of their guys in the Senate, the cons will bitch its unfair and that there needs to be electoral reform.

The Senate of Canada is fine how it is.

A senate that is voted in is dangerous, they become to easily influenced by the "sign of our times" policies. One day this, another day that.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

'm going to treat you like the child that you are, hence the 'coward' statement.

You think a good way to treat a child is call him a "coward"? That's just fucked, dude.

[ryan29]

regardless of what party you support to have to admit they were some pretty strong choices . i mean he got 3 former provincial cabinet ministers and a victims right advocate from quebec who has first hand experience in dealing with crime .

they were some pretty strong choices as anyone who follows provincial politics in ontario knows Bob Runciman is well respected and pretty high profile as the tories here have choose him twice to be intern leader when they were going thru leadership races . and he's been a member of the legislature since the early 80's , i actually think he's been an mpp longer than i've been alive which is a long time to be an mpp.

[ASLplease]

[quote="DerbyX

We'll see bloc/PQ senators before the ink dries on Harpers bill.[/quote]

Why is that?

didn't the Liberals do a good job at appointing bloc and PQ senators?

[Lemmy]

ryan29 ryan29:

they were some pretty strong choices as anyone who follows provincial politics in ontario knows Bob Runciman is well respected and pretty high profile as the tories here have choose him twice to be intern leader when they were going thru leadership races . and he's been a member of the legislature since the early 80's , i actually think he's been an mpp longer than i've been alive which is a long time to be an mpp.

Bob Runciman is an ultra right-wing, Alliance/Reform-type, Fraser Institute, Ayn Rand, Mike Harris idealogue. He and his ilk represent the most dangerous element of the political landscape and should NEVER be praised for anything other than retirement.

[Proculation]

Lemmy Lemmy:

ryan29 ryan29:

they were some pretty strong choices as anyone who follows provincial politics in ontario knows Bob Runciman is well respected and pretty high profile as the tories here have choose him twice to be intern leader when they were going thru leadership races . and he's been a member of the legislature since the early 80's , i actually think he's been an mpp longer than i've been alive which is a long time to be an mpp.

Bob Runciman is an ultra right-wing, Alliance/Reform-type, Fraser Institute, Ayn Rand, Mike Harris idealogue. He and his ilk represent the most dangerous element of the political landscape and should NEVER be praised for anything other than retirement.

You seem to have a little something against Ayn Rand.

[kenmore]

Lemmy is right on as far as Runciman goes, farting would be illegal if he had his say. He is the right choice for a yes man for harper.. looooooooook out!

[Lemmy]

Proculation Proculation:

You seem to have a little something against Ayn Rand.

Not at all. It's not her fault that morons misinterpret her. She was actually a pretty fair novelist. But the way that idiots misuse her philosophy to justify their own meanness is painful to endure.

[Proculation]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Proculation Proculation:

You seem to have a little something against Ayn Rand.

Not at all. It's not her fault that morons misinterpret her. She was actually a pretty fair novelist. But the way that idiots misuse her philosophy to justify their own meanness is painful to endure.

But Objectivism (or Individualism) is quite the basics of the Homo Economicus. Without that in mind, you're in Utopia.