[EyeBrock]

I will look at Hudak closely M1. I just can't get my head around the fact that he could be worse than Dalton though. But the Star and CTV are hardly out to promote the provincial PC's over the Libs. That said I will check out your links.

[mentalfloss]

The people will speak for Ontario just as they did for Toronto. And when Fox news comes to Canada, the whole nation will carry an even greater volume of rational discourse before they go to vote.

[EyeBrock]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mel Lastman seem to do a better job than Miller. Maybe idiots are better mayors?

Really, what is Lastman's legacy?

-The cost-sucking, Sheppard subway line in his former ward that is virtually unused (sound familiar?)

-Municipal infrastructure and services that crumbled or remained second-rate at best, while he did nothing?

-Decade-long tax freeze that caused the city's debt to skyrocket, even as Harris forced hundreds of millions in new spending obligations onto city budgets

-A refusal to campaign for the 2008 Olympics at an Olympic committee gathering in Africa because he was afraid he would end up "boiling in a pot with natives dancing around him?"

-The revelation that he had a decades-long extramarital affair and had been been a deadbeat dad to the two illegitimate children he fathered as a result?


Ya that's a real great mayor you got there.

Hey I never said he was good, but he is certainly thought of in a better light than Miller ever will be.

We should name a square after David eh?

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I will look at Hudak closely M1. I just can't get my head around the fact that he could be worse than Dalton though. But the Star and CTV are hardly out to promote the provincial PC's over the Libs. That said I will check out your links.

The same thing was said about Harris in '95! And you know what, he was! Far worse.

I wasn't being partisan or argumentative with my appraisal of his politics, he is a Blue Tory and he is a disciple of Harris.

[BeaverFever]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Unfortunately for you and Joe, Toronto voters had more than enough of left-wing ideology at city hall.

Well, a lot of what they're frustrated about is that despite aspirations to be Canada's version New York or Chicago, Toronto is in many ways a second-rate city in terms of services and amenities. Its self-generated revenue is significantly less than its spending obligations, let alone costs of "improvement" and therefore much of the city's fate depends upon the good-will of the Provincial and Federal government, who do not make long-term funding commitments.

The problem is endemic of the role of municipalities in Canada and the dysfunctional arrangement of city councils, where everything must be done by consensus and there is very little room for executive leadership. These problems can not be solved at the municipal level by politicians of any stripe, who can only reduce services or increase taxes to try and offset the imbalance.

Thus, every few years, the swing-vote will be either frustrated by "underfunded" services under right-wing regimes or successive tax increases of left-wing regimes and will adopt a "throw the bums out" mentality against whomever is office.

It should be noted, however, that Ford only won in the far-flung suburbs and lost in the actual city itself, so your perception of a massive landslide of voters is incorrect. The suburbanites mobilized in greater number for the above reasons and won over the city-dwellers.

Also, I wonder how you feel about the fact that conservative Muslims and Tamils in particular openly supported Ford because "he is not married to another man". How does it feel to be in league with immigrant religious fundamentalists? Should I put you on a no-fly list?

[EyeBrock]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I will look at Hudak closely M1. I just can't get my head around the fact that he could be worse than Dalton though. But the Star and CTV are hardly out to promote the provincial PC's over the Libs. That said I will check out your links.

The same thing was said about Harris in '95! And you know what, he was! Far worse.

I wasn't being partisan or argumentative with my appraisal of his politics, he is a Blue Tory and he is a disciple of Harris.

I know mate. I respect your opinion and I will give this Hudak some close scrutiny.

[EyeBrock]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Unfortunately for you and Joe, Toronto voters had more than enough of left-wing ideology at city hall.

Well, a lot of what they're frustrated about is that despite aspirations to be Canada's version New York or Chicago, Toronto is in many ways a second-rate city in terms of services and amenities. Its self-generated revenue is significantly less than its spending obligations, let alone costs of "improvement" and therefore much of the city's fate depends upon the good-will of the Provincial and Federal government, who do not make long-term funding commitments.

The problem is endemic of the role of municipalities in Canada and the dysfunctional arrangement of city councils, where everything must be done by consensus and there is very little room for executive leadership. These problems can not be solved at the municipal level by politicians of any stripe, who can only reduce services or increase taxes to try and offset the imbalance.

Thus, every few years, the swing-vote will be either frustrated by "underfunded" services under right-wing regimes or successive tax increases of left-wing regimes and will adopt a "throw the bums out" mentality against whomever is office.

It should be noted, however, that Ford only won in the far-flung suburbs and lost in the actual city itself, so your perception of a massive landslide of voters is incorrect. The suburbanites mobilized in greater number for the above reasons and won over the city-dwellers.

Also, I wonder how you feel about the fact that conservative Muslims and Tamils in particular openly supported Ford because "he is not married to another man". How does it feel to be in league with immigrant religious fundamentalists? Should I put you on a no-fly list?

What are you going on about?

[Lemmy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Hey I never said he was good, but he is certainly thought of in a better light than Miller ever will be.

Really? I think they were both pretty feable. But at least Miller seemed to DO things. He seemed to actually be in charge rather than just a figure head. Lastman seemed a lot like McGuinty: asleep at the wheel, ignorant of pretty much everything that was going on around him.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We should name a square after David eh?

No, whenever it gets built, we should name the fixed-link to Toronto Island after Miller.

[EyeBrock]

That's funny Lemmy!

The David Miller Bridge! Love it!

Yea, both Lastman and Miller were differing shades of shite.

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I will look at Hudak closely M1. I just can't get my head around the fact that he could be worse than Dalton though. But the Star and CTV are hardly out to promote the provincial PC's over the Libs. That said I will check out your links.

The same thing was said about Harris in '95! And you know what, he was! Far worse.

I wasn't being partisan or argumentative with my appraisal of his politics, he is a Blue Tory and he is a disciple of Harris.

I know mate. I respect your opinion and I will give this Hudak some close scrutiny.

Hey, just apply the same critical eye to Hudak as Dalton, and you'll probably end up voting for Andrea Horwath!

[EyeBrock]

I know! The NDP are sounding the most sensible at Queens Park these days, and have been for a while!

It's scary.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

romanP romanP:

How does anyone who knows something about Don Cherry not think he was a belligerant person? This is a guy who openly advocates fist fighting in hockey!

I'm guessing your an advocate for ringette? C'mon man.

Rob Ford is shrewd.

-J.

And he appeals to geniuses like you - isn't it beer and popcorn time for ya'?

Ford is a dumb clown - Cherry is a mindless cheerleader - it's a match made in asshat heaven. You're getting what you voted for, Toronto.

Meh! In this case, all I've seen is a switch from voting for a well-educated idiot to an idiot that didn't finish his post-secondary education.
Lastman, Miller and Ford have all brought their own special brand of idiocy to the job.

[Mustang1]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Meh! In this case, all I've seen is a switch from voting for a well-educated idiot to an idiot that didn't finish his post-secondary education.
Lastman, Miller and Ford have all brought their own special brand of idiocy to the job.

I'm not defending the 1st two, merely ripping on the last one.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Meh! In this case, all I've seen is a switch from voting for a well-educated idiot to an idiot that didn't finish his post-secondary education.
Lastman, Miller and Ford have all brought their own special brand of idiocy to the job.

I'm not defending the 1st two, merely ripping on the last one.

Oh I know. I'm just willing to give Ford some time to see what he can really do(if anything). I've met abrasive idiots like him before, and while I wouldn't want much to do with them on a personal level, some of them excelled at what they did professionally.

[MickeyMoose]

Considering how long the lefties on council were getting their way for so long, making the exact same types of comments, even stooping to ridiculing people who disagreed with them, it is about time they got a taste of their own medicine. The lefties can sure dish it out but they can never take it, give them a little of their own type of attacks, they cry like babies.