[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

Brenda Brenda:

If you really don't want kids, have your tubes tied.

And if you don't want to get pregnant don't spread your legs.

Just wanted to show the idiocy of your arguement.

It takes two to create. It takes two to support. It SHOULD take two to destroy.

You have the luxury of looking at it from a position with choices. No man here will get that luxury any time soon.

What I see is a shining example of why our society will collapse sooner rather than later. We parrot about equality, than base a portion of our legal system on blatant inequality.

The moment you can carry babies, you have an argument. Then it is your choice. As long as you can't, you have to put up with inequality. So sorry.

(yeah, it takes 2 to support. That is why so many women live on welfare, with no daddy paying for their kids. That is the choice YOU have)

[DanSC]

Brenda Brenda:

(yeah, it takes 2 to support. That is why so many women live on welfare, with no daddy paying for their kids. That is the choice YOU have)

And just like I know single fathers who have to take the deadbeat mothers to court to pay child support. Just saying.

[Brenda]

Sure, but there are not that many of them. Just sayin'.

[peck420]

And the moment you can procreate without machine or man you would have an arguement too.

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

And the moment you can procreate without machine or man you would have an arguement too.

I can. I go to a hospital have myself inseminated with donor sperm.
So no, you don't have an argument. You cannot tell me to carry a child to term in my body just because we had 5 minutes of fun. Unless I choose so myself.

(damn, how maniest abortion thread is this??)

[peck420]

But you can force me to 18 years of financial pain for 5 minutes of fun?

Typical female response. You can't carry it for 10 whole months, so you have no say in carrying it for 18 years...yup equality.

And, no, statistically speaking (although marginal) a deadbeat is 3% more likely to be a mom rather than a dad....thank you US Census Bureau.
77.5% of custodial mothers recieve full or some payment, 74.5% of custodial fathers recieve full or some payment.

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

But you can force me to 18 years of financial pain for 5 minutes of fun?

Typical female response. You can't carry it for 10 whole months, so you have no say in carrying it for 18 years...yup equality.

And, no, statistically speaking (although marginal) a deadbeat is 3% more likely to be a mom rather than a dad....thank you US Census Bureau.
77.5% of custodial mothers recieve full or some payment, 74.5% of custodial fathers recieve full or some payment.

So the $100 you are going to pay/mo really covers all the costs?
Not to mention all the emotions, broken nights, breastfeedings, playing taxi, cook, raise a kid...

10 months?? since when are women 10 months pregnant??

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

77.5% of custodial mothers recieve full or some payment, 74.5% of custodial fathers recieve full or some payment.

That only proves that men make more money than women (likely because they have to take care of the kids, rather than make a career) and says nothing about "dead beat moms", or dads, for that matter. Nice try tho.

[DanSC]

Brenda Brenda:

peck420 peck420:

77.5% of custodial mothers recieve full or some payment, 74.5% of custodial fathers recieve full or some payment.

That only proves that men make more money than women (likely because they have to take care of the kids, rather than make a career) and says nothing about "dead beat moms", or dads, for that matter. Nice try tho.

If the child has a custodial father, it seems like the mother does not fall under "because they have to take care of the kids, rather than make a career."

[Choban]

$1:

That is why so many women live on welfare, with no daddy paying for their kids.

Ahem, there are plenty of women on welfare with kids from multiple fathers who keep having babies just so they can keep sucking on the government teat, my nephews mother is one such, every time they cut off her welfare she gets pregnant again, she has 4 kids all different dads and hasn't worked a day in her life, 1 father is dead, 2 others are gone and the 4th is living in a basement suite below her and paying support for his kid.
I know this isn't the norm but it does happen.

[saturn_656]

Choban Choban:

$1:

That is why so many women live on welfare, with no daddy paying for their kids.

Ahem, there are plenty of women on welfare with kids from multiple fathers who keep having babies just so they can keep sucking on the government teat, my nephews mother is one such, every time they cut off her welfare she gets pregnant again, she has 4 kids all different dads and hasn't worked a day in her life, 1 father is dead, 2 others are gone and the 4th is living in a basement suite below her and paying support for his kid.
I know this isn't the norm but it does happen.

I'm pretty sure everybody knows someone like this. It's not the norm, but is it is not uncommon.

[Brenda]

DanSC DanSC:

Brenda Brenda:

peck420 peck420:

77.5% of custodial mothers recieve full or some payment, 74.5% of custodial fathers recieve full or some payment.

That only proves that men make more money than women (likely because they have to take care of the kids, rather than make a career) and says nothing about "dead beat moms", or dads, for that matter. Nice try tho.

If the child has a custodial father, it seems like the mother does not fall under "because they have to take care of the kids, rather than make a career."

What makes you think that? There is only one captain on a ship, and if dad spends all his time making his career, he has no time to raise the kids.
Just sayin.

[DanSC]

Brenda Brenda:

DanSC DanSC:

If the child has a custodial father, it seems like the mother does not fall under "because they have to take care of the kids, rather than make a career."

What makes you think that? There is only one captain on a ship, and if dad spends all his time making his career, he has no time to raise the kids.
Just sayin.

If the courts gave the father custody of the child, than the mother legally can't raise the child full-time, leaving the father that duty. In this case, there is only one captain, the father, because the mother either doesn't want to raise the child or has been deemed unsafe or incapable of doing so.

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

DanSC DanSC:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

It does seem a little radical when you think about it. Then again I used to be in favor of a woman's right to choose when it came to abortion but, as age and senility grow nearer I've changed my stance.

I'm in favor of the "PARENTS" right to choose as opposed to only one half of the equation making all the decisions.

Interesting. So if the father decides he wants to vacuum out that baby, can he force the mother to have an abortion?

No but on that note she can't claim financial assistance for 18 years from the guy for a child he doesn't want.

This has to be a two way street and as it stands now all decisions are left up to the woman with the man having basically no recourse in the process.

The man's recourse is to pay up and shut up.

[peck420]

Brenda Brenda:

10 months?? since when are women 10 months pregnant??

Don't make me question wether you are female or not!?

A pregnancy is on average 40 weeks in duration, I'm not sure where the whole 9 months thing came from in the first place. (40/4=10)

If you would like, I can forward some documentation on it.

(My wife was an office manager at an OB/GYN prior to her going stay at home)