[Gunnair]

Brenda Brenda:

peck420 peck420:

But you can force me to 18 years of financial pain for 5 minutes of fun?

Typical female response. You can't carry it for 10 whole months, so you have no say in carrying it for 18 years...yup equality.

And, no, statistically speaking (although marginal) a deadbeat is 3% more likely to be a mom rather than a dad....thank you US Census Bureau.
77.5% of custodial mothers recieve full or some payment, 74.5% of custodial fathers recieve full or some payment.

So the $100 you are going to pay/mo really covers all the costs?
Not to mention all the emotions, broken nights, breastfeedings, playing taxi, cook, raise a kid...

10 months?? since when are women 10 months pregnant??

Frankly, if the man didn't want it, you should not get penny one from him.

[Brenda]

DanSC DanSC:

Brenda Brenda:

DanSC DanSC:

If the child has a custodial father, it seems like the mother does not fall under "because they have to take care of the kids, rather than make a career."

What makes you think that? There is only one captain on a ship, and if dad spends all his time making his career, he has no time to raise the kids.
Just sayin.

If the courts gave the father custody of the child, than the mother legally can't raise the child full-time, leaving the father that duty. In this case, there is only one captain, the father, because the mother either doesn't want to raise the child or has been deemed unsafe or incapable of doing so.

And that happens a lot, doesn't it.
Usually, parents share custody, and the child(ren) are with one of the 2 most of the time.
Unless mom is a druggie in rehab, that will be mom.

[Brenda]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Brenda Brenda:

peck420 peck420:

But you can force me to 18 years of financial pain for 5 minutes of fun?

Typical female response. You can't carry it for 10 whole months, so you have no say in carrying it for 18 years...yup equality.

And, no, statistically speaking (although marginal) a deadbeat is 3% more likely to be a mom rather than a dad....thank you US Census Bureau.
77.5% of custodial mothers recieve full or some payment, 74.5% of custodial fathers recieve full or some payment.

So the $100 you are going to pay/mo really covers all the costs?
Not to mention all the emotions, broken nights, breastfeedings, playing taxi, cook, raise a kid...

10 months?? since when are women 10 months pregnant??

Frankly, if the man didn't want it, you should not get penny one from him.

Oh, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean he can tell me to abort it, or that I can't.

[DanSC]

Brenda Brenda:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Frankly, if the man didn't want it, you should not get penny one from him.

Oh, I agree with that, but that doesn't mean he can tell me to abort it, or that I can't.

Then it seems we're all in agreement

[peck420]

Where the hell did you get $100 a month.

I have run my income and children through the calculator. I would be paying a minimum of $1,800. MINIMUM.

I would then also have to pay for a seperate mortgage, seperate car insurance...basically 2 seperate lives.

Edit to add:

This is all before 'special expenses' (Section 7) get added in. That is the base child support. It also does not include any 'spousal support' that would be incurred.

$100/month

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

Brenda Brenda:

10 months?? since when are women 10 months pregnant??

Don't make me question wether you are female or not!?

A pregnancy is on average 40 weeks in duration, I'm not sure where the whole 9 months thing came from in the first place. (40/4=10)

If you would like, I can forward some documentation on it.

(My wife was an office manager at an OB/GYN prior to her going stay at home)

First, a month is not 4 weeks, but 4.3.
Second, that she is an office manager at an OB/GYN, doesn't mean that you know what you are talking about, since a pregnancy is measured starting on the first day of your last period. I always learned that when you are on your period, you cannot get pregnant, and that you ovulate aprox 14 days after the first day of your period.
I am JUST sayin...

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Unless you're willing to force women to carry fetuses to term you'll have to put up with that equality. I'm willing to do that.

I'm okay with saying that women are the sole voice in having a baby so long as you agree to excuse men from having to support a baby they don't want.

The way it is right now women hold all the cards in this. They can abort a baby whether or not the man wants it. They can have a baby whether or not the man wants it. And then they can force the man to support the mother and child for 18 years whether or not the man wants it and, in some cases, even if the man isn't even the father of the child!

Women have spent years bitching about how they want equality so why don't they step up to the plate on this one and prove that they want equality?

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

Unless you're willing to force women to carry fetuses to term you'll have to put up with that equality. I'm willing to do that.

I'm okay with saying that women are the sole voice in having a baby so long as you agree to excuse men from having to support a baby they don't want.

The way it is right now women hold all the cards in this. They can abort a baby whether or not the man wants it. They can have a baby whether or not the man wants it. And then they can force the man to support the mother and child for 18 years whether or not the man wants it and, in some cases, even if the man isn't even the father of the child!

Women have spent years bitching about how they want equality so why don't they step up to the plate on this one and prove that they want equality?

They don't want that kind of equality.

[BartSimpson]

I see. They want to be more equal than men.

[peck420]

Seeing as they measure, and by they I mean doctors, in weeks, with 4 weeks equaling 1 month...you can say what ever you would like.

The doctor that delivered all 3 of my kids backs up my wifes claim of 10 months, and I will take her word long before I take yours.

[Brenda]

peck420 peck420:

Seeing as they measure, and by they I mean doctors, in weeks, with 4 weeks equaling 1 month...you can say what ever you would like.

The doctor that delivered all 3 of my kids backs up my wifes claim of 10 months, and I will take her word long before I take yours.

I have 2, and they don't measure in 10 but in 9 months.
40 weeks = 9 months (which makes sense, since a month is 4.3 weeks)

[Freakinoldguy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

No but on that note she can't claim financial assistance for 18 years from the guy for a child he doesn't want.

This has to be a two way street and as it stands now all decisions are left up to the woman with the man having basically no recourse in the process.

The man's recourse is to pay up and shut up.

That seems to be the current trend of thought doesn' it?

And here after living through the invention of the pill, the free love era and feminists burning their bra's I thought we were were all supposed to end up being equal.

I wonder why I was so mistaken?

[Zipperfish]

Brenda Brenda:

peck420 peck420:

77.5% of custodial mothers recieve full or some payment, 74.5% of custodial fathers recieve full or some payment.

That only proves that men make more money than women (likely because they have to take care of the kids, rather than make a career) and says nothing about "dead beat moms", or dads, for that matter. Nice try tho.

Nah, if it's the woman's choice--and only the woman's choice--whether the kid lives or dies, it should be her responsiblity--and only her responsbility--to raise it. And trhen it would be the man's choice--and only the man's choice--as to whether he'd like to chip in or not.

Ooops--you already said as much. nevermind!

[commanderkai]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

That seems to be the current trend of thought doesn' it?

And here after living through the invention of the pill, the free love era and feminists burning their bra's I thought we were were all supposed to end up being equal.

I wonder why I was so mistaken?

We men are pigs or something, thus we need to be punished for centuries of oppression.

[DanSC]

commanderkai commanderkai:

We men are pigs or something, thus we need to be punished for centuries of oppression.

Now that a baby's gender can be chosen, you'd think women would have stopped having boys by now