[Brenda]

DanSC DanSC:

Now that a baby's gender can be chosen...

I find that highly unethical, just as I find the gender abortions/adoptions in China highly unethical.

[DanSC]

Brenda Brenda:

DanSC DanSC:

Now that a baby's gender can be chosen...

I find that is highly unethical, just as I find that the gender abortions in China are highly unethical.

I apologize if that came off as being serious. I thought the emoticon would have suggested a less-than-literal nature for my post.

[Brenda]

DanSC DanSC:

Brenda Brenda:

DanSC DanSC:

Now that a baby's gender can be chosen...

I find that is highly unethical, just as I find that the gender abortions in China are highly unethical.

I apologize if that came off as being serious. I thought the emoticon would have suggested a less-than-literal nature for my post.

The last part, I got
I was actually wondering if it was legalized, and I'm thinking it's not Damn, ya got me!

[Unsound]

I find it unethical as well, especially since the trophy wife's last ultra-sound showed that we're having a boy.

[PostFactum]

Who he is for her for doing this? Some people think that they have more moral rights than it is. That's her descision. He claims to her only because she didn't want a kid from him. For sure it puts him down, but if he couldn't influence on her, that's his problem. Too late for fight.

[ShepherdsDog]

This is such a slippery issue. On one hand i agree that a boyfriend has no say in his girlfriend's choice, but when it comes to husband I think his opinion should have some legal weight. I've always beleived that it would be a better world if all people were somehow made sterile(or all males be given a vasectomy at a certain age, which is easier to correct than a female with tied off fallopian tubes) and only after serious counseling, tests and interviews would they have operations and or medications that allowed them to conceive.

Once this descision had been made, the only allowable reason for an abortion would be a threat to the mother's physical well being or the child has some serious genetic fault....which hopefully could be avoided in the initial medical screening.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Never been snipped. Never had kids. Dodged that bullet for years. Haven't had to worry about it for a while now since my wife is no longer in production mode.

It's truly amazing how easy it is to make it to 44 years of age without spawning, all without having to be chaste or snipped in the process

[rickc]

This is a great thread! I would say kudos to peck420 for having the guts to voice an opinion on a topic that most men would privately agree with, but most of us would lie in public and pretend to support the feminist agenda. We would not want to appear to be politicily uncorrect would we? That would be the kiss of death for us. The legal system is slanted toward women. If they choose to keep the baby, than the unwilling father will be court ordered to pay child support for the next 18 to 21 years. How is that fair? If the woman wants to abort the child, the father has no legal recourse. Why can he not keep the child,and the woman pay child support? Other posters are voicing a pro fatherhood opinion on this forum. Mabey we men are starting to evolve.Good.

Having stated that veiwpoint, I feel that it is only fair that I give full disclosure on the subject. My veiwpoint is not all sweetness and light. There is a lot of anger in my viewpoint. I am a single parent of a 15 year old daughter. My ex left us over four years ago. She left me to raise a then 11 year old daughter on my own.I have not received one dollar of child support in that time. Nevada does not have a reciprocal agreement with New Brunswick. If she lived in several other Provinces that have an agreement with Nevada, I would be getting child support. Am I a little bitter? Sure, I will admit that. I will also admit that I am glad that I have full custody of a brilliant physically gifted child, that has been the highlight of my life. I am one of those anal dipshits that thought I could plan every aspect of my life. I thought that I would know the exact moment that I would be financially able to have a family. My Daughter was not planned,and I am glad. I realize that I would never have deemed myself ready to be a father. She is the best mistake that I have ever made in my life.

[Freakinoldguy]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

That seems to be the current trend of thought doesn' it?

And here after living through the invention of the pill, the free love era and feminists burning their bra's I thought we were were all supposed to end up being equal.

I wonder why I was so mistaken?

We men are pigs or something, thus we need to be punished for centuries of oppression.

Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes,

beat me......... whip me....... make me write bad chegues

[Bacardi4206]

Brenda Brenda:

Sure, but there are not that many of them. Just sayin'.

Maybe in the 1970's, not today. There are a crapload of single parent dads around. The point here is that all women have to do is snap there fingers, go to court and demand child support. A guy has to bend over backwards, go through loop holes, do a couple tricks to get the same service as a single parent dad.

The world today, like yourself holds onto this old image that women are the only ones who can be a good parent basicly. That the fathers are just mindless idiots or worse deadbeat dads who ditched out on them. I've NEVER seen anybody make any reference to the dad who has to pick up the slack and the mom is the deadbeat. Biggest reference to this is all those product placement commercials where it's always the mom taking care of the kid or my favorite, they show the dad but hes a mindless idiot who always spills shit unti'll mom comes to the rescue. I have no problems with these constant commercials because they are a bit funny and statisticly more true than the other way around. My point is would it kill them to make a reverse version every once and awhile and show the dad as the responsible parent?

There was this story awhile back of these group of moms playing with there kids at this park. Than this dad and his daughter went to the park the play. The daughter was just going up and down the swings and the dad was just watching her playing. Exactly as the mom's were doing but this went sour went the moms called the cops and called the guy a pedophile and pervert. He had to prove to the cops she was his daughter just to be there.

It takes two to tangle and while women get the worse share of the decision in the form of pregnancy. The father should atleast get a say in the decision. It is after all his seed. Women may not want to bear pregnancy but I am pretty sure a father who want's to keep his kid (kinda like the father in this article) doesn't want the bear the fact's his soon to be kids mom went out to the clinic without asking him to abort there kid. That's emotional damage (the arguement the women in this case is using, seems privacy rights is more emotionally scaring than losing your child that you wanted).

[Taseko]

What I, as a man do with my body, is my business and mine alone.

What a woman does with her body is her business entirely, no one else has any reason to interfere with what she does with her body and what may be growing within it.

[Bacardi4206]

Taseko Taseko:

What I, as a man do with my body, is my business and mine alone.

What a woman does with her body is her business entirely, no one else has any reason to interfere with what she does with her body and what may be growing within it.

Nobody at all? Not the person's who's seed created that thing in her body who is just as emotionally attached to it as the woman. Fantastic, here's a good trade off than. If woman want to abort there kids without giving the father any opinion towards it or voice what the mother did was his child. Than if a mother get pregnant and wants to keep it but the father doesn't. He doesn't have to pay child support. I mean, if the father has no voice for his own kid than hes legally not bound to pay for it. That's fair right?

[Taseko]

Bacardi4206 Bacardi4206:

Taseko Taseko:

What I, as a man do with my body, is my business and mine alone.

What a woman does with her body is her business entirely, no one else has any reason to interfere with what she does with her body and what may be growing within it.

Nobody at all? Not the person's who's seed created that thing in her body who is just as emotionally attached to it as the woman. Fantastic, here's a good trade off than. If woman want to abort there kids without giving the father any opinion towards it or voice what the mother did was his child. Than if a mother get pregnant and wants to keep it but the father doesn't. He doesn't have to pay child support. I mean, if the father has no voice for his own kid than hes legally not bound to pay for it. That's fair right?

Anyone who suggests he could be emotionally attached to a fetus just because it was his semen that impregnated her is a hysteric. I would suggest to any woman that she consider this when she lets such an abomination touch her.

There are so many women obligated to look after their children from men who won't, don't or can't have the necessary skills to provide support.

If a woman should bring such a child to term she would likely realize that you wouldn't be around anyway.

[Unsound]

You obviously don't have kids. I was emotionally attached to my daughter from the moment I knew she was on her way. To suggest that a man can't feel as strongly about his unborn child as a mother could makes you the abomination.

[Brenda]

So a 6-week miscarriage would feel the same to you as having a full term still born?