[Zipperfish]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Saipan Saipan:

Now we can get back to the scientific belief.

Why did the scientists believe coelacanth was extinct 60 million years? That is until they found it quite fresh on fish markets on some Indian Ocean islands.

...at which point scietnists changed their belief to reflect the oberservation--a critical differntiation between faith in religious texts and faith in science.

Zip, treating it like people only makes it think it's people.

Tru nuff. It simply lacks the cognitive function beyond being able to pull its pants up to its nipples and complain about kids and the the gummint full time.

[BartSimpson]

Saipan Saipan:

Which part of the ghosts you didn't understand?

Do you feel discriminated against?

Why does this guy sound so familiar to me?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Saipan Saipan:

I always wondered why are most of those ghosts in English castles.

I think you'll find ghosts in many castles and fortresses that saw vicious battles over the centuries. We have a few old military forts here that are most definitely inhabited by ghosts.

[Saipan]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

...at which point scietnists changed their belief to reflect the oberservation--a critical differntiation between faith in religious texts and faith in science.

There's no difference. Belief is a belief. Some beliefs can be proven now some later. It's good to be openminded.


http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

[Saipan]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Saipan Saipan:

I always wondered why are most of those ghosts in English castles.

I think you'll find ghosts in many castles and fortresses that saw vicious battles over the centuries. We have a few old military forts here that are most definitely inhabited by ghosts.

Possibly. I only heard of ghosts in English castles. Frankly it was just in movies. No other experience. But I've been to lot of castles in central Europe.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Saipan Saipan:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

...at which point scietnists changed their belief to reflect the oberservation--a critical differntiation between faith in religious texts and faith in science.

There's no difference. Belief is a belief. Some beliefs can be proven now some later. It's good to be openminded.


http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

Yes, but a belief that CAN be currently proven is called a fact. A not so subtle difference.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Saipan Saipan:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Saipan Saipan:

I always wondered why are most of those ghosts in English castles.

I think you'll find ghosts in many castles and fortresses that saw vicious battles over the centuries. We have a few old military forts here that are most definitely inhabited by ghosts.

Possibly. I only heard of ghosts in English castles. Frankly it was just in movies. No other experience. But I've been to lot of castles in central Europe.

Well like I said, my last house had ghosts. I wouldn't call it haunted though because I never felt like I wanted to get the hell outta there but I KNOW we had ethereal guests. There was also an old Psychiatric hospital up the road from where I live now that was most definitely haunted. I wasn't really afraid of ghosts before I checked it out one night, but that place scared the living hell out of me. Our intrusion was definitely unwelcome!

[CanadianJeff]

Let me ask you a basic question PA.

If these ghosts live on after death for so long why do they never seem to leave the building or house? I mean if your going to live for decades after death wouldn't you want to at least get out and explore a bit?

That and it's always struck me as odd that ghosts never seem to leave even the most basic of messages. I mean even if all I could do as a ghost was slam doors there is always morse code.

I'm not calling you a liar and I totally understand that you firmly beleive what you experienced with genuine but these things have always struck me as odd and I've never had a believer in ghosts come up with any good explanations for these things.

[Saipan]

Come to think of it. We used to have strange sound in the house. About 1000 Hz that started gradually then volume stayed for perhaps 1/2 hr then fade off. Like once in several days sometimes weeks. It was impossible to pinpoint from where, as if the whole house sounded.

At different times I saw what I can described as something very fuzzy, dark gray, about the size of an egg moving at lightning speed along edge of furniture or corners of a room. All lasted fracton of a second. I was certain it was something in my eye, for years. Until one day rather religious friend of mine was there at that moment and he really freaked out. I never seen it after that. Who knows what it was.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Let me ask you a basic question PA.

If these ghosts live on after death for so long why do they never seem to leave the building or house? I mean if your going to live for decades after death wouldn't you want to at least get out and explore a bit?

That and it's always struck me as odd that ghosts never seem to leave even the most basic of messages. I mean even if all I could do as a ghost was slam doors there is always morse code.

I'm not calling you a liar and I totally understand that you firmly beleive what you experienced with genuine but these things have always struck me as odd and I've never had a believer in ghosts come up with any good explanations for these things.

Generally speaking, a strong emotional attachment to a location is what keeps ghosts stuck in a specific location. Whether it's a house they spent their entire lives in and eventually died in, or a place where violent death occured as two examples. For others, it may be a case of feeling like there is "unfinished business".
At least that's the explanation I've heard.
As for interacting with their environment, it takes a LOT of energy for them to do so. It's not like they can physically close a door by pushing it shut with their hand. I've actually even learned this from personal experience when I've exited my physical body. I can't open or close doors. I can go through them but I don't because it can be extremely dangerous for someone that isn't highly skilled, or already dead

I know one night when I was in bed alone(my wife was visiting her parents) I very distinctly and audibly heard someone whisper my name in my ear. It kind'a freaked me out at first to be honest but I became intrigued by it all.
That's when I tried using out of body experiences in an attempt to make communication easier but I was never able to run into any when in that state.
What I was left with though was the impression they weren't there to scare me in any way, in fact, I think they liked us being there. The house had been built before the 20th century and it must have been something in its day. As the years went buy, successive owners let it slowly fall apart. When I bought it, we went to work fixing the place up to its former glory. I honestly believe that our resident ghosts were happy to see someone actually taking care of their home.

[Gunnair]

I've had my own share of interesting experiences, particularly in one house we lived in when I was young. Whether it was shadows that I saw in the corner of my eye, or in one case, a glimpse of a woman raking leaves in our front yard, I could say there was definitely activity. Footsteps, odd feelings, it was rather frightening for a kid. Perhaps one of the odder things I saw was a dog. That one surprised me. I've thought about linking up with the local paranormal group but I have not found the time yet.

[ShepherdsDog]

No ghosts...just memories or minor rifts and eddies in space time(that some believe not to be linear) that allows us to see what has happened or may happen. Nothing supernatural, but events and occurrences we currently lack the ability to properly qualify.

[Gunnair]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

No ghosts...just memories or minor rifts and eddies in space time(that some believe not to be linear) that allows us to see what has happened or may happen. Nothing supernatural, but events and occurrences we currently lack the ability to properly qualify.

I might buy that, these are mere memories playing out, however, the ability to interact suggests otherwise.

[ShepherdsDog]

Could be we sometimes catch a thin spot in the barrier between realities that allows us to see one side or for them to see us.

[Gunnair]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Could be we sometimes catch a thin spot in the barrier between realities that allows us to see one side or for them to see us.

Possible. Irrespective of the reason, there is certainly a suggestion here that life may not simply end at death. The classic non interactive hauntings are one thing, but some firm of interaction, whether it's speech, physically moving objects, making sounds, touching, all suggest that there is more to our existence than what some would suggest. It may not be the heaven if Christians but it also is not the finality if atheists.