[Thanos]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

Also, back in the day, Tom would wave a Confederate flag on stage for this and some of his other songs.

Actually, wokeness would be more like Tom Petty realizing what waving that flag actually meant, and apologizing for ever doing it. You know, realizing when and being sorry for when your actions hurt others.

The need to see others grovel in order to achieve your own personal satisfaction isn't a very becoming character trait. In fact it seems like something that probably exists mainly on the spectrum of psychopathy. Maybe you can explain what you get out of it for yourself, considering that you project yourself as anti-bully yet seem to expect others to engage in performative actions that really only occur because some self-righteous bully/bullies use the various platforms available to demand it.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

Also, back in the day, Tom would wave a Confederate flag on stage for this and some of his other songs.

Actually, wokeness would be more like Tom Petty realizing what waving that flag actually meant, and apologizing for ever doing it. You know, realizing when and being sorry for when your actions hurt others.

The need to see others grovel in order to achieve your own personal satisfaction isn't a very becoming character trait. In fact it seems like something that probably exists mainly on the spectrum of psychopathy. Maybe you can explain what you get out of it for yourself, considering that you project yourself as anti-bully yet seem to expect others to engage in performative actions that really only occur because some self-righteous bully/bullies use the various platforms available to demand it.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

You really aught to try to read my posts, instead of assuming you know what I 'really' mean. I know another guy who thought I posted in total sarcasm all the time, when usually I post exactly what I mean. I'm not going to say who, because I don't want to compare you to him.

Go ahead and look up Tom Petty, and how he realized the actual meaning of flying Lee's battle flag, and how he regrets doing that. It has nothing to do with me.

[Thanos]

It was also a symbol of defiance, both tribal and personal, probably the most recognizable one on the planet over the last two hundred years. And it was a major symbol of 1970's and 80's rock 'n' roll culture in general. Given Tom Petty's bona fides as an actual liberal (note - a liberal, not a leftist), I highly doubt that he was doing it as some sort of inspiration to the genuine cross-burners. And the left-est of the left in the 1970's, the punks, also did things like wear swastika t-shirts or ear jewelry, and they didn't do it because they were actual Nazis. They did it as the biggest fuck-you to society they could put on display.

So a symbol can actually mean more than one thing. And the Confederate flag being turned into an equivalent to the Reichskriegsflagge is something that's actually quite new. It's something of the current era to believe anything that counter to actual historical fact, ginned up by the same sort of delusional people here in Canada who push the white poppy on Remembrance Day because to their reading of history (a knowledge that in fact is is so shallow that its entire content couldn't even fill up a fucking thimble) the red poppy is a glorification of war.

That must be the charm in being a leftist today - knowing absolutely nothing real or useful, but finding out that the near-total ignorance displayed by an activist/apologist on a hour-by-hour basis doesn't matter at all to the cheering squad generously handing out all the likes. Good gig if you can get it, one must suppose.

PS - and try not to be too vehement on demanding the endless apologies because someday soon you'll run out of cowards willing to kneel to you and you'll find yourself facing a legion of those with ice-cold hearts who'll be demanding that it'll be your turn to apologize to them instead

[DrCaleb]

Lees battleflag was the symbol for a group that fought a war because it wanted to keep owning people. That's all it will ever be.

Thanos Thanos:

PS - and try not to be too vehement on demanding the endless apologies because someday soon you'll run out of cowards willing to kneel to you and you'll find yourself facing a legion of those with ice-cold hearts who'll be demanding that it'll be your turn to apologize to them instead

More things I have never written. Has that ever worked for you before? I know people try to do that to me all the time. They make up things they think I write, then get pissed off at me for writing them. But I'll write the same thing to you that I do to them.

I am responsible for defending my own arguments, not yours.

[Thanos]

All flags have blood attached to them, some more than others. The red star, for example, perpetually remains in vogue in certain influential quarters, no matter how incoherent the failed philosophy it represents turned out to be. And no matter how high the Everest-tall pile of murdered bodies it created as its only true legacy to humanity managed to get. In all the centuries of human endeavour never has a symbol that is so innately empty of anything good, decent, humane, logical, sensible, or kind ever had such a rabidly loyal base of true fans to support it.

And you specifically said that the moral thing to do would have been for Tom Petty to apologize to those he "hurt". Which is kind of funny in a way because there probably weren't too many members of his fanbase, who went to his shows back in the ancient days of thirty years ago when everyone wasn't such a goddamn pussy about literally everything, who came away from the event with shattered emotions at his overt display of "racism". These fans were unlikely to be proto-BLM, or brainwashed dweebs who got all their information on history from Howard Zinn textbooks & college instructors like Ward Churchill, simply because in those days they weren't inundated by a flood of activists 'n' allies 'n' outright liars determinedly searching for actual irredeemable evil where there really just wasn't any to be found. Different era, better era. Different priorities, better priorities. Different people, better people. Today's narcissistic sewage couldn't hold a fucking candle to the way things used to be.

Also, saying that Confederate banners only represent cross-burners and slave holders sort of insults a massive population in a classic collective-guilt sort of way. Like the lyrics of the song went, the bulk of the Southern military didn't join up to protect the plantation billionaires, they did it because they didn't want invading armies ravaging their lands, destroying their towns & cities, and killing their families & friends. I'm not surprised that you'd do this though, taking a massively complicated issue and boiling all the actual details away until you get the bare bones argument you were already pre-determined to reach. Disappointed that you grabbed the low-hanging fruit for what you think is a quick win, but not surprised that you'd do it though.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

And you specifically said that the moral thing to do would have been for Tom Petty to apologize to those he "hurt".

Quote me.

Thanos Thanos:

Also, saying that Confederate banners only represent cross-burners and slave holders sort of insults a massive population in a classic collective-guilt sort of way.

Quote me.

Thanos Thanos:

I'm not surprised that you'd do this though, taking a massively complicated issue and boiling all the actual details away until you get the bare bones argument you were already pre-determined to reach. Disappointed that you grabbed the low-hanging fruit for what you think is a quick win, but not surprised that you'd do it though.

Would it surprise you to know that it was you who wrote those things? Because if you went back in this thread to find the posts where I wrote the above things, you found that I wrote no such thing. That was the voices in your head. You are arguing with yourself, or with the voice in your head that you think is me.

[Thanos]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Lees battleflag was the symbol for a group that fought a war because it wanted to keep owning people. That's all it will ever be.

bada bing

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Actually, wokeness would be more like Tom Petty realizing what waving that flag actually meant, and apologizing for ever doing it. You know, realizing when and being sorry for when your actions hurt others.

bada boom

If you're going to try to gaslight someone you should probably make sure to only deny what you said from a while back in order to exploit poor or damaged memories. Denying what you said when it's out in the open on the previous fucking page usually isn't a very good tactic to employ.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Lees battleflag was the symbol for a group that fought a war because it wanted to keep owning people. That's all it will ever be.

bada bing

Thanos Thanos:

Also, saying that Confederate banners only represent cross-burners and slave holders sort of insults a massive population in a classic collective-guilt sort of way.

Where are the cross burnings that I was supposedly accusing people of? Where am I using a blanket statement about a whole population? Where am I guilting anyone into anything? {sad trombone noise}

Thanos Thanos:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Actually, wokeness would be more like Tom Petty realizing what waving that flag actually meant, and apologizing for ever doing it. You know, realizing when and being sorry for when your actions hurt others.

bada boom

Thanos Thanos:

And you specifically said that the moral thing to do would have been for Tom Petty to apologize to those he "hurt".

No, I quoted his own words.

$1:

“Through the years, people like the KKK and skinheads kinda kidnapped the Dixie or Southern flag from its tradition and the heritage of the soldiers,” he said. “We didn’t want that to go to our fans or show the image like we agreed with any of the race stuff or any of the bad things.”

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics ... index.html

I didn't say that he should do anything. He specifically apologised for the hurt he caused. {sad trombone noise}

Thanos Thanos:

If you're going to try to gaslight someone you should probably make sure to only deny what you said from a while back in order to exploit poor or damaged memories. Denying what you said when it's out in the open on the previous fucking page usually isn't a very good tactic to employ.

And if you want to try and distract from the actual argument, you should have actually understood and read that argument. Let me restate:

'Awakenings', which is the proper use of the attempt to make 'woke' derogatory, is the realization that someone has been causing harm to others and has become aware and sorry for the harm they caused.

I also noticed you completely avoided Tricks' question about an obvious elaboration in your rebuttal. Glass houses and all that.

[Tricks]

Still waiting for anyone going to jail for waving a confederate flag.

Outside of that time period of course.

[DrCaleb]

Has the guy who waved Lees' battleflag in the Capitol gone to jail yet? If so, I doubt it was for that.

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Has the guy who waved Lees' battleflag in the Capitol gone to jail yet? If so, I doubt it was for that.

I'm sure if he was it was more for "participating in an insurrection"

[Scape]

Troll gets pwned.

[raydan]

[Thanos]

Here's today's center-of-the-fascist storm in a teacup, because according to progressives (due to the footage of leftists doing what they do being included in the video) this song is literally the new Horst Wessel Lied! eeeek!



LOL, it's not even a good song or a good video but it's still 100% opposite in actual content & context to what the woke shitheads are hysterically vilifying it for. Christ, how in the hell are the common sense people in this ridiculous society of ours losing everything everywhere all the time to these progressive assclowns when everything in the woke movement is so genuinely fucking stupid?

[Tricks]

So I guess no one went to jail for waving a confederate flag?