[tritium]

O.K. QUESTION??

Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey and other neighboring states are all up in arms about Israel boarding these ships.

Why don't these countries that represent the "Religion of Peace" (and terror) give up part of their land for the Palestinian people?

Or is it they don't want these terrorist nutjobs in their backyard either..??

[PublicAnimalNo9]

+1
But we all know that the Palestinains are just stooges for the Islamo-fascists to keep their war up with Israel by proxy.

[Zipperfish]

tritium tritium:

O.K. QUESTION??

Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey and other neighboring states are all up in arms about Israel boarding these ships.

Why don't these countries that represent the "Religion of Peace" (and terror) give up part of their land for the Palestinian people?

Or is it they don't want these terrorist nutjobs in their backyard either..??

Well, again, attacking an armed Israeli commando wiht a stick might be stupid, it hardly counts as terrorism.

[tritium]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, again, attacking an armed Israeli commando wiht a stick might be stupid, it hardly counts as terrorism.

This is what the people on board those ships are going to support and bring aid too..

Not to forget, IRAN funds these nutjobs too. Sponsored terrorism.

[Public_Domain]

Either one day they'll be free, or one day they'll be dead.

[martin14]

tritium tritium:

O.K. QUESTION??

Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey and other neighboring states are all up in arms about Israel boarding these ships.

Why don't these countries that represent the "Religion of Peace" (and terror) give up part of their land for the Palestinian people?

Or is it they don't want these terrorist nutjobs in their backyard either..??

Never in a million years.


These countries have had refugees in their countries sitting there since 1948.

The refugees get food from and aid from the UN, not these governments.

These countries refuse these refugees citizenship, work permits, freedom of movement. For 70 years now, they have refuse ANY attempt to integrate these
people into their society.

After all, if they did that, they wouldnt have much to beat the Isrealis over the
head with, would they ?

[Zipperfish]

tritium tritium:

This is what the people on board those ships are going to support and bring aid too..

Not to forget, IRAN funds these nutjobs too. Sponsored terrorism.

I still don't think the provision of humanitarian aid, or attacking soldiers with a sticks and stones, classifies as terrorism. It's just a word that gets thrown around so much these days it doesn't mean much anymore. Which is fine by me--it was a dumb word to start with.

[Zipperfish]

martin14 martin14:

ROTFL


Never in a million years.


These countries have had refugees in their countries sitting there since 1948.

The refugees get food from and aid from the UN, not these governments.

These countries refuse these refugees citizenship, work permits, freedom of movement. For 70 years now, they have refuse ANY attempt to integrate these
people into their society.

After all, if they did that, they wouldnt have much to beat the Isrealis over the
head with, would they ?

Given how inhpsipitabp;e the neighbours are, it makes it even worse that these people were driven from their homes in 1948, don't you think?

[martin14]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

inhpsipitabp;e

what, you just bash the keyboard and hope for the best ?


Zip, the Palestinians rolled the dice in 1948, and they lost..



After WWII, millions Germans were booted out of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia.
What was Germany took them in, in spite of being bombed basically back to the Stone Age. Total numbers of German people booted back to Germany is in the 14-16 MILLION range.

Hundreds of thousands of Hungarians also out and back to Hungary from neighboring countries, including Czechoslovakia again.


The list is endless.

It continues to recent history, with the former Yugoslavia.
Serbs, Croats and Muslims still moving around.


No one is stupid enough to talk about some bullshit 'right of return',
the main political reason to keep the Palestinians locked up in these camps,
and to deny them any kind of life, including citizenship, education or work for children born in these camps.


One day, the Palestinians will wake up, and realize their 'leaders' have been
screwing them for 70 years now.
Then hopefully they will realize their Arab 'brothers' have been shitting on them
for the past 70 years as well.

The UN, instead of the constant Israeli bashing, could try telling the Arab
countries to integrate their refugees, and stop this orgy of depression and violence.

Of course, its too easy to pile on Israel.

[Zipperfish]

martin14 martin14:

:)

what, you just bash the keyboard and hope for the best ?

I guess that somebody must have walked in my office--that's pretty bad spelling even for me.

$1:

Zip, the Palestinians rolled the dice in 1948, and they lost..

As far as, the UN basically made them homeless when the state of Israel was declared. I don't see how that is rolling the dice. When you kick people out of their homes to make room for strangers, you're liable to get a negative reaction. I'm not standing up for Hamas, but just reminding folks here that there are two sides to every story.

$1:

The UN, instead of the constant Israeli bashing, could try telling the Arab
countries to integrate their refugees, and stop this orgy of depression and violence.

Actually, the UN created Israel. On Arab land.

[N_Fiddledog]

On the international waters argument; anyone remember this one...

$1:

The Turbot War of 1995 was an international fishing dispute between Canada and the European Union in which Canada boarded a Galician (Spanish) fishing trawler in international waters and arrested its crew. Canada claimed that European Union factory ships were illegally overfishing on the Grand Banks, just outside Canada's declared 200 nautical mile (370 km) Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbot_War

On the right to blockade thing; what's the difference between Israel blockading the missiles out of Gaza, and JFK blockading the missiles out of Cuba? I know the Cuban missiles were bigger, and unlike with Israel none were ever actually fired. Other than that though?

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Actually, the UN created Israel. On Arab land.

A commonly held fallacy. Israel declared its own independence. The UN recognized it after the fact. Also the land was not 'given' to the Jews. They bought it from the Arab landowners and developed it. The Palestinian Arabs who 'fled' did so because they thought their armies were going to crush the Jews in a matter of days, driving them into the sea, and then they'd be able to return and scoop up the orchards and farms that the Jews had built.

Earlier, someone had made a comment about why Arabs didn't take in the 'Palestinians'. Some did and they had their countries destabilised by them. Lebanon and Jordan(which is the de facto Palestinian Arab state) both had their own troubles with them, that are well documented.

[commanderkai]

xerxes xerxes:

As unfortunate as it is, Hamas is the government of the Gaza Strip. Moreover, while there is the part of Hamas that wants Israel destroyed, there is also an arm of the organization that does build homes and provide education and other civic functions.

Just like everything in the MIddle East there's nothing but shades of grey.

Wait what? All sides of Hamas wants Israel destroyed and the Jews dead. That's not a shade of gray. Sinn Fein might have been the political/civic branch and the IRA might have been the paramilitary branch, but both sides have the same goals.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Moreover, while there is the part of Hamas that wants Israel destroyed, there is also an arm of the organization that does build homes and provide education and other civic functions.

The drug cartels did the same thing in the neighbourhoods where they operated. We know it wasn't merely altruism that motivated these acts. You're a fool if you think that Hamas is about smiling babies and happy and healthy children. These are the same people who would strap bombs on to their kids and send them into crowds. But hey, maybe you want to remain ignorant of the truth...it makes it easier to point a finger at big bad Israel.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Whether the Israelis were justified or not, this will not help their cause.

They have played right into the hands of their enemies. Not a good move. They know what these people are like and now they can't count on Turkey for anything anymore.

Too high a political price to prove they were right.

What did they think would happen when they boarded this ship? That these anti-Israel types would hug them?

Well, NATO upset, one time tepid allies Turkey and Egypt upset, world in general upset...

Guess that brilliant plan didn't work out so well.