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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:05 am
 


From the DHS itself:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/06/18/myt ... nce-policy

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Release Date: June 18, 2018

In recent days, we have seen reporters, Members of Congress, and other groups mislead the public on the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) zero-tolerance policy.

Federal law enforcement officers have sworn duties to enforce the laws that Congress passes. Repeating intentionally untrue and unsubstantiated statements about DHS agents, officers, and procedures is irresponsible and deeply disrespectful to the men and women who risk their lives every day to secure our border and enforce our laws.

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DHS has a policy to separate families at the border.

Fact
DHS does not have a blanket policy of separating families at the border. However, DHS does have a responsibility to protect all minors in our custody. This means DHS will separate adults and minors under certain circumstances. These circumstances include: 1) when DHS is unable to determine the familial relationship, 2) when DHS determines that a child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian, or 3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution.

Familial Relationship – If there is reason to question the claimed familial relationship between an adult and child, it is not appropriate to detain adults and children together.
Human Trafficking and Smuggling – If there is reason to suspect the purported parent or legal guardian of human trafficking or smuggling, DHS detains the adult in an appropriate, secure detection facility, separate from the minor. DHS continues to see instances and intelligence reports indicating minors are trafficked by unrelated adults, posing as a “family” in an effort to avoid detention.

Safety Risk – If there is reason to suspect the purported parent or legal guardian poses a safety risk to the child (e.g. suspected child abuse), it is not appropriate to maintain the adult and child together.

Criminal Prosecution – If an adult is referred for criminal prosecution, the adult will be transferred to U.S. Marshals Service custody and any children will be classified as an unaccompanied alien child and transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services custody.

In recent months, DHS has seen a staggering increase in the number of illegal aliens using children to pose as family units to gain entry into the United States. From October 2017 to February 2018, there was a 315 percent increase in the number of cases of adults with minors fraudulently posing as “family units” to gain entry.

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Prior to April 2017, DHS never separated families arriving at the border.

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DHS has separated families under the circumstances described above. Because of court decisions, DHS can generally no longer hold families in detention beyond 20 days.

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DHS can indefinitely detain families who cross the border illegally.

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DHS generally releases families within 20 days. This creates a “get out of jail free” card for illegal alien families and encourages groups of illegal aliens to pose as families hoping to take advantage of that loophole.

In 2014, DHS increased detention facilities for arriving alien families and held families pending the outcome of immigration proceedings. However, a federal judge ruled in 2016 that under the Flores Settlement Agreement, minors detained as part of a family unit cannot be detained in unlicensed facilities for longer than a presumptively reasonable period of 20 days, at which point, such minors must be released or transferred to a licensed facility. Because most jurisdictions do not offer licensure for family residential centers, DHS rarely holds family units for longer than 20 days. The judge’s ruling made it much more difficult for the Federal government to use the detention authorities Congress gave it.

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DHS is referring for prosecution all families coming to the border.

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DHS only refers to the Department of Justice those adults who violate the law by crossing the border illegally (or who have violated some other criminal law) and are amenable for prosecution. When adults, with or without children, unlawfully enter this country, there must be a consequence for breaking our laws.

DHS is not referring for prosecutions families or individuals arriving at ports of entry or attempting to enter the country through legal means. These families and individuals have not broken the law and will be processed accordingly.

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DHS is turning away asylum seekers at ports of entry.

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DHS complies with Federal law with regard to processing individuals claiming asylum at ports of entry.

CBP processes all aliens arriving at all ports of entry without documents as expeditiously as possible without negatively affecting the agency's primary mission to protect the American public from dangerous people and materials while enhancing the nation’s economic competitiveness through facilitating legitimate trade and travel.

As the number of arriving aliens determined to be inadmissible at ports of entry continues to rise, CBP must prioritize its limited resources to ensure its primary mission is being executed. Depending on port circumstances at the time of arrival, CBP officials will allocate the necessary resources to its primary mission and operate appropriate access controls and queue management procedures for those arriving aliens without proper travel documents.

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DHS separates families who entered at the ports of entry and who are seeking asylum – even though they have not broken the law.

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If an adult enters at a port of entry and claims asylum, they will not face prosecution for illegal entry. DHS does have a responsibility to protect minors we apprehend and will separate in three circumstances:1) when DHS is unable to determine the familial relationship, 2) when DHS determines that a child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian, or 3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution.

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Once separated, arriving alien adults cannot contact minors and are not told where the minors are being held by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

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DHS is committed to and has procedures in place to connect family members after separation so adults know the location of minors and have regular communication with them.

HHS and DHS work to facilitate communication between detained adults and minors (in HHS custody) in a number of ways to include telephone and/or video conferencing. Additionally, ICE has posted information in all over 72-hour facilities advising detained adults who are trying to locate, and/or communicate with a child in the custody of HHS to call the Detention Reporting and Information Line (DRIL) for assistance. This posted information includes:

HHS Adult Hotline (24 hours a day, 7 days a week, in both English and Spanish):
If calling from outside an ICE detention facility, call 1-800-203-7001.
If calling from an ICE detention facility, dial 699# on the free call platform.
Please note that you will need to provide the child’s full name, date of birth, and country of origin. It is also helpful to provide the child’s alien registration number, if you know it.
HHS Email: [email protected]
Individuals may also obtain information about a particular immigration case (including their child’s), or information about reunifying with minors, through the following methods:

ICE Call Center (Monday-Friday, 8 am-8 pm EST):
If calling from outside an ICE detention facility, call 1-888-351-4024.
If calling from an ICE detention facility, dial 9116# on the free call platform.
ICE Email: [email protected]
Additionally, CBP has developed and distributed bilingual documents outlining the separation and reunification process.

Myth
Language barriers prevent aliens apprehended at the border, and subject to prosecution, from receiving adequate information.

Fact
All US Border Patrol trainees are required to take Spanish language training while at the Border Patrol Academy, and achieve proficiency in Spanish. All Border Patrol personnel on the Southwest Border are bilingual.

CBP apprehends illegal aliens from numerous countries that speak many languages other than Spanish. Should an agent ever have a language or communication issue, they are required to find another Agent who speaks the language or to utilize contract interpreters.

All Border Patrol personnel at the border are directed to clearly explain the relevant process to apprehended individuals. CBP provides detainees with written documentation (in Spanish and English) that lays out the process – to include the appropriate phone numbers to contact.

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CBP and ICE officers are not properly trained to separate minors from their custodians.

Fact
The safety of CBP employees, detainees, and the public is paramount during all aspects of CBP operations. CBP treats all individuals in its custody with dignity and respect, and complies will all laws and policy, including CBP’s National Standards on Transport, Escort, Detention, and Search (TEDS). TEDS reinforces/reiterates the need to consider the best interest of children and mandates adherence to established protocols to protect at-risk populations, to include standards for the transport and treatment of minors in CBP custody.

All ICE facility staff who interact with adults receive trauma-informed care training. ICE is augmenting mental health care staffing, to include trained clinical staff, to provide mental health services to detained adults.

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DHS detention facilities are in poor condition and do not provide clean drinking water.

Fact
DHS facilities are safe and sanitary, and adults and minors are provided access to food and drinking water, medical care as needed, and adequate temperature control and ventilation.

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DHS and HHS houses migrants in “inhumane fenced cages” or in an “ice box.”

Fact
DHS and HHS utilize short-term facilities in order to process and temporarily hold migrants that have been apprehended. These short-term facilities do not employ the use of ‘cages’ to house minors. Certain facilities make use of barriers in order to separate minors of different genders and age groups – for the safety of those who are being held. Additionally, CBP facilities have adequate temperature control and ventilation. ICE facilities are designed for longer-term detention of adults and, in some cases, families.

DHS takes seriously our responsibility for the safety and security of all migrants in the custody of the United States government.

Myth
DHS has never separated families for prosecutions before – this is a new policy in this Administration.

Fact
Illegal border crossers, including family units, were referred for prosecutions, as appropriates, under the previous Administration. The average referral rate for amenable adults from FY10 – FY16 was 21 percent.

Myth
By choice, DHS refuses to keep families together through the immigration adjudication and removal process.

Fact
Court decisions interpreting the Flores Settlement Agreement (FSA), which has been in existence for over 20 years but was significantly broadened in 2016, limits the government’s ability to detain family units. Pursuant to these court decisions, minors detained as part of a family unit cannot be detained in unlicensed facilities for longer than a presumptively reasonable period of 20 days, at which point, minors must be released or transferred to a licensed facility. Because most jurisdictions do not offer licensure for family residential centers, DHS can rarely detain a family for longer than 20 days.

The Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 (TVPRA) requires unaccompanied alien children (other than those from contiguous countries – Mexico and Canada – who are eligible to withdraw their application for admission) be transferred from DHS to the Department of Health and Human Services within 72 hours, absent exceptional circumstances.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:22 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
martin14 martin14:
And the kids ARE getting treated differently, that's the whole point of separating them.
They aren't being charged.


They are still being punished.



Blame the parents.

Here's a tip: Don't cross the border illegally, and don't bring the kids.

There, problem solved.


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Can I bring my Cat?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:26 am
 


Unfortunately this administration has a low trust level, because they lie so much, even by the low standards set for politicians. It's all bullshit.

Sessions has specifically said that the zero-tolerance policy, which resulted in children being torn from their families, to act as a deterrent.


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Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Unfortunately this administration has a low trust level, because they lie so much, even by the low standards set for politicians. It's all bullshit.


The last time someone told me that Trump lies all the time I asked them to name me one of his lies.

I'm still waiting on a response.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Sessions has specifically said that the zero-tolerance policy, which resulted in children being torn from their families, to act as a deterrent.


I could care less what Sessions has to say about it. He's the Attorney General and he has no say in it because DHS runs the Border Patrol.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:34 am
 


martin14 martin14:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
martin14 martin14:
And the kids ARE getting treated differently, that's the whole point of separating them.
They aren't being charged.


They are still being punished.



Blame the parents.

Here's a tip: Don't cross the border illegally, and don't bring the kids.

There, problem solved.


That's why there is a protocol for dealing with refugee claimants. You can't exactly go through proper channels to get a visa when the death squads are coming for you.

That's why refugee claims are not illegal.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Unfortunately this administration has a low trust level, because they lie so much, even by the low standards set for politicians. It's all bullshit.


The last time someone told me that Trump lies all the time I asked them to name me one of his lies.

I'm still waiting on a response.

Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Sessions has specifically said that the zero-tolerance policy, which resulted in children being torn from their families, to act as a deterrent.


I could care less what Sessions has to say about it. He's the Attorney General and he has no say in it because DHS runs the Border Patrol.


He lied or the DHS is lying. Trump is lying by saying it's the Democrats' fault.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:44 am
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
He lied or the DHS is lying. Trump is lying by saying it's the Democrats' fault.


1. DHS runs the border, not the Department of Justice. That's a fact.

2. Trump is, IMHO, weaseling on the border policy. I understand it's part of his strategy to force the Democrats to come up with actual legislation to support their idea and then use that to hang the Democrats with voters in the fall. << That's what this bit of kabuki theater is really about is the fall election.

Still, I don't like it. It isn't exactly a lie but I don't care for the deflection. I like him best when he charges headlong into these issues and owns them as his own.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:53 am
 


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The last time someone told me that Trump lies all the time I asked them to name me one of his lies.

Nobody wants to see a 25 page post. The fuckhead lies so much every single day only the most stubborn of his supporters can't tell.
Actually they fucking know too, they just support lying to further their agenda.


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herbie herbie:
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The last time someone told me that Trump lies all the time I asked them to name me one of his lies.

Nobody wants to see a 25 page post. The fuckhead lies so much every single day only the most stubborn of his supporters can't tell.
Actually they fucking know too, they just support lying to further their agenda.


I'm not going to argue with you or your source but my point was that too many people toss this shit around and then they have no actual idea what it is that they're so upset about.


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I will be fair then Bart.

Trump did not take this shit, but he is certainly stirring it.

This is a known issue and not much has been done since it became a known issue. I doubt anything will be done now. This is, in all seriousness, a legal fucking nightmare in the US. The solution will require coordination (and concessions) from multiple states and the federal party. Which, I imagine, is a big reason as to why it has never been really fixed.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:01 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Unfortunately this administration has a low trust level, because they lie so much, even by the low standards set for politicians. It's all bullshit.


The last time someone told me that Trump lies all the time I asked them to name me one of his lies.

I'm still waiting on a response.

That's some seriously selective listening then.

He said yesterday crime in Germany is way up, when it's the lowest in 30 years. I'm pretty sure on average he's lied in some way twice a day for the his entire presidency.

The sad thing is, it's not even lying, it's bullshitting. Lying implies he's going to try and keep his story straight, bullshitting is just saying the first thing that comes to his head and then contradicting it 5 minutes later.


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Tricks Tricks:
The sad thing is, it's not even lying, it's bullshitting. Lying implies he's going to try and keep his story straight, bullshitting is just saying the first thing that comes to his head and then contradicting it 5 minutes later.


That's totally true--never even thought of that before. ha ha ha


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Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Tricks Tricks:
The sad thing is, it's not even lying, it's bullshitting. Lying implies he's going to try and keep his story straight, bullshitting is just saying the first thing that comes to his head and then contradicting it 5 minutes later.


That's totally true--never even thought of that before. ha ha ha

I can't take credit for it, that was a gem from Sam Harris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlkIpfc75s0

The bit I'm talking about starts at about 5 minutes.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:31 pm
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
That's why there is a protocol for dealing with refugee claimants. You can't exactly go through proper channels to get a visa when the death squads are coming for you.

That's why refugee claims are not illegal.


Plus if they're coming from failed states like El Salvador or Guatemala any paperwork like passports or birth certificates is probably non-existent for the social class of people trying to get out of those countries. And if they went to what passes for a government office for that kind of documentation they probably wouldn't even get through the main door that will be guarded by the kind of guys who moonlight with the death squads.


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