[Sunnyways]

She got something about her family history wrong, something she'd been told at an impressionable age and had never stopped to examine critically because you tend to trust your family. I've done that. Maybe other people here have too? You know, there are worse crimes.

BTW the whole Red Indian/Indian thing is a little dodgy too and it's not as funny as he thinks it is.

[Tricks]

xerxes xerxes:

Au contraire. In Moore’s case he still a racist, bigot and homophobe along with being a pederast.

$1:

If this was really an issue, it would be Sen. Doug Jones and not Moore.

(edited for the comparison)

What I'm saying is someone being elected doesn't mean they aren't pieces of shit, and that their transgressions suddenly don't mean anything.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here ya go:

She's what's supposed to save you from The Donald.

Didn't watch!
Why? Asked a couple of students once why they didn't have a homework assignment done. One responded that his dog had eaten it. I knew it was a lie as his family didn't own a dog. Gave him another chance. The other went into a long and boring spiel on why it wasn't done. Also a lie. Didn't give him another try!
Why do I need saving from trump? It's Americans that need saving. I'm not an American!

[rickc]

herbie herbie:

Hey fiddlehead, I grew up with rumours that Granma was Metis, so I thought maybe I had part native blood.
Doesn't make me a liar if I ever said I did, it just makes me mistaken. Something you obviously can't tell the difference between as you suck up the shit defending the biggest piece of shit real liar Trump.

If you claimed to be Metis on a job application where you knew that they using affirmative action to determine who got the job, you would be a liar. You would also be guilty of criminal fraud,just like the good senator is. If you stole someone else's recipe and tried to pass it off as an old family Metis recipe, than you would be a liar. you would also be guilty of plagiarism, just like the good senator is.

[Sunnyways]

rickc rickc:

herbie herbie:

Hey fiddlehead, I grew up with rumours that Granma was Metis, so I thought maybe I had part native blood.
Doesn't make me a liar if I ever said I did, it just makes me mistaken. Something you obviously can't tell the difference between as you suck up the shit defending the biggest piece of shit real liar Trump.

If you claimed to be Metis on a job application where you knew that they using affirmative action to determine who got the job, you would be a liar. You would also be guilty of criminal fraud,just like the good senator is. If you stole someone else's recipe and tried to pass it off as an old family Metis recipe, than you would be a liar. you would also be guilty of plagiarism, just like the good senator is.

You can make a false statement and not be 'a liar' if you believe the statement to be true.

[rickc]

fifeboy fifeboy:

What is this about? Why is it (whatever it's about) important? Who gives a flying ( expletive relating to sexual intercourse) what her racial background is? What ever happened to voting for someone on their record?

The fact that you (or anyone else )does not get what the big deal is.....IS THE PROBLEM. It shows how far we have fallen as a society. Let me ask you something: what if you seen someone in a wheelchair having to park a 1/4 mile away in a thunderstorm, because a bunch of young healthy entitled punks were taking up all the handicapped parking spaces. Would that bother you? What about a old hunchbacked lady with a cane bouncing around on a train because young punks were sitting in the handicapped seats? Is that okay, or do you feel that you have an obligation to speak up against this behavior? As a civilized society we have tried to make things better for the less fortunate. We have established programs to attempt to right the wrongs that certain groups of people have suffered. People like the Native Americans. Most states let Native Americans go to college for free. If Warren is a native American than why didn't she go to college for free? She has no credentials, that's why. Colleges actually ask for proof when you apply to attend, to bad they don't ask for proof when you apply for a job.

If it was found that a distant, distant, distant relative of Trump had lied about being a native American to attend college for free, you would be all over that wouldn't you? The rich white man is stealing from the poor indians!!!!! So why does Warren get a pass? She LIED (not misspoke) on her job application. She knew that a native American is the jackpot when it comes to affirmative action. One native American is worth 500 African Americans. They are kind of rare on the east coast, that whole trail of tears thing and all. when some lies and uses fraud to abuse government programs set up for the less fortunate, than they are stealing from the less fortunate. that is what warren is doing. she is stealing from the native Americans. stealing just as if she was to go on a reservation, break into a home and help herself to their personal belongings. She is a thief as well as a liar. That is why it is such a big deal. That is why people give a fuck. Some of us care when we see others screwing over the less fortunate. We get angry when some rich asshole is living in a rent controlled apartment. We get angry when lazy able bodied youth park in handicapped parking spaces, and take up handicapped seats on the buses and trains. It IS a big deal, and we DO give a fuck.

[herbie]

$1:

If you claimed to be Metis on a job application where you knew that they using affirmative action to determine who got the job, you would be a liar. You would also be guilty of criminal fraud,just like the good senator is.

Total bullshit. If I did knowingly, I'd be a liar, but good luck on the court case even then.

$1:

If you stole someone else's recipe and tried to pass it off as an old family Metis recipe, than you would be a liar.

No kidding, if I stole it...

$1:

BTW the whole Red Indian/Indian thing is a little dodgy too

Damn rights. Is he gonna dare to wear a turban to press the point?
Goddam rights, cuz I stole it.

[fifeboy]

rickc rickc:

fifeboy fifeboy:

What is this about? Why is it (whatever it's about) important? Who gives a flying ( expletive relating to sexual intercourse) what her racial background is? What ever happened to voting for someone on their record?

The fact that you (or anyone else )does not get what the big deal is.....IS THE PROBLEM. It shows how far we have fallen as a society. Let me ask you something: what if you seen someone in a wheelchair having to park a 1/4 mile away in a thunderstorm, because a bunch of young healthy entitled punks were taking up all the handicapped parking spaces. Would that bother you? What about a old hunchbacked lady with a cane bouncing around on a train because young punks were sitting in the handicapped seats? Is that okay, or do you feel that you have an obligation to speak up against this behavior? As a civilized society we have tried to make things better for the less fortunate. We have established programs to attempt to right the wrongs that certain groups of people have suffered. People like the Native Americans. Most states let Native Americans go to college for free. If Warren is a native American than why didn't she go to college for free? She has no credentials, that's why. Colleges actually ask for proof when you apply to attend, to bad they don't ask for proof when you apply for a job.

If it was found that a distant, distant, distant relative of Trump had lied about being a native American to attend college for free, you would be all over that wouldn't you? The rich white man is stealing from the poor indians!!!!! So why does Warren get a pass? She LIED (not misspoke) on her job application. She knew that a native American is the jackpot when it comes to affirmative action. One native American is worth 500 African Americans. They are kind of rare on the east coast, that whole trail of tears thing and all. when some lies and uses fraud to abuse government programs set up for the less fortunate, than they are stealing from the less fortunate. that is what warren is doing. she is stealing from the native Americans. stealing just as if she was to go on a reservation, break into a home and help herself to their personal belongings. She is a thief as well as a liar. That is why it is such a big deal. That is why people give a fuck. Some of us care when we see others screwing over the less fortunate. We get angry when some rich asshole is living in a rent controlled apartment. We get angry when lazy able bodied youth park in handicapped parking spaces, and take up handicapped seats on the buses and trains. It IS a big deal, and we DO give a fuck.

WOW, angry much. (Said by a guy who worked in an aboriginal community for 30 years, livesfor 47 years with a woman who came down with MS 30 years ago and still helps a schizophrenic son make ends meet.) I'm not angry, why are you?
All I want to know is why everyone is so concerned about this one thing this woman has done? Doesn't she have enough history to judge her on policy matters?

[Thanos]

If policy mattered in any of this idiocy anymore, Warren would have won the Dem primaries instead of Clinton and would be sitting in the White House with Bernie as her VP right now. And the pall of pure dread that the actual 2016 election cast over the entire world would never have happened at all.

[rickc]

fifeboy fifeboy:

WOW, angry much. (Said by a guy who worked in an aboriginal community for 30 years, livesfor 47 years with a woman who came down with MS 30 years ago and still helps a schizophrenic son make ends meet.) I'm not angry, why are you?
All I want to know is why everyone is so concerned about this one thing this woman has done? Doesn't she have enough history to judge her on policy matters?

So you don't have a problem with people lying, cheating, and stealing? That is ok with you? Only the voting record matters huh? You would fit in well in Massachusetts. Sen. Kennedy had a young dead girl in his car at the bottom of the Chappaquiddick tidal pool back in 1969, a young girl that was not his wife. He fled the scene and did not report the accident for over 10 hours, plenty of time to sober up. That did not stop him from going on to be one of the longest serving senators of all time. Most other states (states that actually have values) his career would have been over. In the history of congress only 23 representatives have been censured,its kind of a big deal as well as a major embarrassment. In 1983 Gerry Studds was censured for pressuring a 17 year old male page into having sex with him. The other rep. from another state who was censured in the 1983 congressional page sex scandal lost his position in the 1984 election. Not Studds, not Mass. He kept on getting reelected up to his retirement in 1997. They celebrate the fact that he was the first openly gay member of congress, never mind the fact that he only came out after being outed as a result of being investigated in a sex scandal. Barney Frank was playing sugar daddy for a male prostitute in D.C. I can not count how many political careers have been ruined by prostitution scandals. Not Barney, not Mass. It is no surprise that Mass. elected Pocohontas to be their senator, no surprise at all. They have absolutely no sense of shame, and no standards for people seeking public office.

You were a teacher right? Was it ok with you when one of your students plagiarized or cheated on an exam? Do you reward them for their bad behavior? Do they suffer any penalty at all? Warren is a lying cheating plagiarizing bitch. She stole someone else's recipe and claimed it was an old Cherokee recipe. do some research on cherokee lands and you will see that they never bordered the ocean. crabs live in the ocean. when did crab meat become a staple of the cherokees? not in backwoods mountainous inland north carolina, certainly not in land locked oklahoma. like howie carr said they sure as hell were not eating crab meat omelettes on the trail of tears. its bullshit and lies pure and simple. howie offered to pay for her dna test and she will not take it. she is a fraud. she claimed to be native american to get a job at harvard. harvad touted her as being native american. you are the one hanging out with all the natives, why don't you ask them how they feel about someone pretending to be native to steal a job or a contract that was reserved for them? how well would that go over? warren lied, she stole a job that should have went to a native. you do not seem to have a problem with that. you say its one little thing. it is not one little thing to a native that should have had that job at one of the worlds most prestigious universities. tell them its one little thing.

you ask me why i am mad. i am mad because you are not mad. i should not be the only one on the train telling young punks to give up the handicap seats to someone who needs them. you should be mad that some lying white bitch stole a job by misappropriating someone else's culture. is that not what the left is always bitching about? they need to clean up their own back yard.

side note: my caps button died in the middle of the post. apologies for the bad grammar.

[martin14]

fifeboy fifeboy:

WOW, angry much. (Said by a guy who worked in an aboriginal community for 30 years, livesfor 47 years with a woman who came down with MS 30 years ago and still helps a schizophrenic son make ends meet.) I'm not angry, why are you?

WOW, martyr complex much ?

$1:

All I want to know is why everyone is so concerned about this one thing this woman has done? Doesn't she have enough history to judge her on policy matters?

Because it is never 'one' thing.

[Sunnyways]

Thanos Thanos:

If policy mattered in any of this idiocy anymore, Warren would have won the Dem primaries instead of Clinton and would be sitting in the White House with Bernie as her VP right now. And the pall of pure dread that the actual 2016 election cast over the entire world would never have happened at all.

Like Bernie, Warren had a real, worked-out agenda to accept or reject. Hillary was more of a Bob Dole ‘it’s my turn’ type of candidate who tried to be all things to all persons of every orientation, ethnicity, favourite dessert etc. Her efforts to portray herself as a particular friend of African Americans were particularly ridiculous esp. after the way she treated Bernie’s supporter Nina Turner at the convention.

In terms of good character and policy detail, Romney was an excellent candidate. I don’t know whether the time for such (outwardly) clean-cut, sunny heroes has come and gone in politics, a bit like the Hollywood transition from Errol Flynn to Humphrey Bogart

[Thanos]

Clinton would have been a bad candidate even in good times with less polarization and anger. Putting her up against a freak like Trump, with all her own flaws and innate grifting nature and synthetic personality, was the single worst choice the Democrats could have possibly made for 2016

[rickc]

the powers that be totally screwed biden. the vice president of a sitting president almost always gets the nomination. polls showed that he could have won. he would have easily been the most likeable candidate from either party.

[Thanos]

Biden was way quicker on his feet than Clinton could ever have been. If the debates mattered all that much then he would have absolutely shredded Trump in them. And, as opposed to Clinton who the outgoing president seemed to barely tolerate, he would have had Obama's full support during the campaigns which would have been critical because Obama was still highly popular overall going into the election. I'm assuming Biden got put off by the DNC's insistence on identity politics that amounted to "aww, not another white guy again, we have to go with the girl this time" as the main reason he didn't push the issue about running.