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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:11 pm
 


I swear F-Man, you keep reminding me of that dude on the cattle drive in the movie City Slickers who can't understand how a VCR works:



"He doesn't get it. He'll never get it. It's been 4 hours. The cows can tape something by now."


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:18 pm
 


Oh please every 2 or 3 Americans I meet swears to be 1 16th Indian. And it’s never one of the obscure tribes like Miccosukee or Abenaki, they always swear to be decended from a tribe that has a SUV or military helicopter named after it like Commanche or Apache or Cherokee. I guess that’s the whole “cultural appropriation” thing eh? Is it ironic that whites only appropriate the identity of tribes most famous for killing white people?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:32 pm
 


BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Oh please every 2 or 3 Americans I meet swears to be 1 16th Indian. And it’s never one of the obscure tribes like Miccosukee or Abenaki, they always swear to be decended from a tribe that has a SUV or military helicopter named after it like Commanche or Apache or Cherokee. I guess that’s the whole “cultural appropriation” thing eh? Is it ironic that whites only appropriate the identity of tribes most famous for killing white people?


Oh my God! Another one?

It's not about how much Indian blood somebody somewhere may claim to have. Elizabeth Warren had none. But if you insist on getting technical she didn't register as somebody of Native American ancestry. She registered as a Native American."

Can you honestly not see the difference?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:32 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I thank you for telling me what my claim is, but if it really is my claim why don't you let me make it?

Here it is:

This controversy began with Warren registering, listed, or referred to as a Native American, a Minority, or a Person of Color.

Much later when Elizabeth became political and was challenged on this she made reference to a suggested Cherokee ancestry.

There is no evidence of Elizabeth Warren having one drop of Native America, Minority, person of color or even Cherokee blood.

It is not a matter of Lizzie simply "being mistaken about her heritage," it is a matter of her telling a bold-faced lie.

In fact, as this became more evident she told even more ridiculous lies to cover it up:

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Over the ensuing weeks, information was uncovered by a law professor that starting in the mid-1980s, when she was at U. Penn. Law School, Warren had put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools but dropped from that list when she gained tenure at Harvard. When confronted with this information, Warren admitted she had filled out forms listing herself as Native American, claiming she wanted to meet other Native Americans. That explanation was irrational because the faculty directory only listed her as “minority,” not as “Native American,” so putting herself on that list was not a way to meet other Native Americans.

Later, reporters uncovered that Warren had represented herself to both U. Penn and Harvard for federal reporting purposes as Native American. Warren, however, did not meet the two part test under Harvard and EEOC definitions of Native American, a definition which likely was on the page when she checked the box. Warren has refused to release these records.


Do you get it yet? This isn't even a quibble over whether or not Warren has enough native american blood to call herself a native american. She has none. In any case it wasn't her putting herself out there as a Cherokee or even as somebody of Cherokee descent that got her into trouble. She was registering as a native american then listing herself as a minority and was being referred to as a person of color.

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And the great American Aboriginal uprising begins, led by fiddle dog himself, defender of minority rights. Good grief man, if it was a lie, it was minor. Note in your own reference it states she gained nothing and in martini's that there is a lot of leeway in interpretation of who is Cherokee.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:34 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Oh please every 2 or 3 Americans I meet swears to be 1 16th Indian. And it’s never one of the obscure tribes like Miccosukee or Abenaki, they always swear to be decended from a tribe that has a SUV or military helicopter named after it like Commanche or Apache or Cherokee. I guess that’s the whole “cultural appropriation” thing eh? Is it ironic that whites only appropriate the identity of tribes most famous for killing white people?


Oh my God! Another one?

It's not about how much Indian blood somebody somewhere may claim to have. Elizabeth Warren had none. But if you insist on getting technical she didn't register as somebody of Native American ancestry. She registered as a Native American."

Can honestly not see the difference?

And why is that important?
Also, as an aside, you still haven't told me what lie I made up....... well?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:43 pm
 


Your whimper concerned your inability to understand that this issue was not about Warren simply being a little confused about how much Indian ancestry she had. She had none. She didn't register as somebody of North American ancestry. She registered as a Native American. A simple mirror would have told her that wasn't true. Can you not see why you suggesting the false thing is the same as the true thing is a lie?

Seriously?


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Your whimper concerned your inability to understand that this issue was not about Warren simply being a little confused about how much Indian ancestry she had. She had none. She didn't register as somebody of North American ancestry. She registered as a Native American. A simple mirror would have told her that wasn't true. Can you not see why you suggesting the false thing is the same as the true thing is a lie?

Seriously?

I suggested she was Cherokee? No I didn't! I said she thought she was Cherokee, which she said was rhe case. Then I said that one of the sources quoted by martii as saying she was telling a lie actually says that "Cherokee" is open to interpretation. Your own source says she gained nothing from the claim. Therefore, a tempest in a teapot.
I myself make the claim that I'm Scottish all the time. Never been to Scotland, but my father claimed to have been from there. I'm sure you would call me untruthful for that if he had actually been from Yorkshire. But WTF matter would it make?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:17 am
 


The lie you've been whining about is from page 3. Martin had nothing to do with it.

Rick was trying to show you how lying in politics could be a problem. He was giving you examples. You replied:

"Can't you see the difference between the examples you made and being mistaken about your heritage?"

Warren's lie was not specifically about being Cherokee. It was her registering as a Native American then listing herself as a minority.

Your lie was in attempting to dilute the truth by presenting the lie as nothing more than her being "mistaken about her heritage." Your lie lay in obfuscation.

Warren tried to do something similar when years later she was challenged on her deception and tried to get the lie lost in a claim of having some Cherokee blood. Apparently, her parents told her she had some Indian blood somewhere and she tells us they had high cheekbones like a Cherokee so they must have been telling the truth - or something like that.

Good enough to register into Harvard as Native American then list yourself on job applications as a minority, you think? No it's not. Even her Cherokee distraction was a lie. And when you get on board with it yours is a lie too.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:27 am
 


I don't know squat about Elizabeth Warren. But referring to a native (or, in Elizabeth Warren's case, someone who claims to be native)as "Pocahontas" is a racial slur. Like calling a black guy "Toby." Like calling an East Indian "Haji." If you defend these terms you're as rascist as the person using them.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:33 am
 


And that's just virtue signaling.

Personally, I thought Trump should have stayed with the one everybody else uses - "Fauxcahontos." Much funnier.

Maybe he thought that didn't show the original Pocohontos enough respect though. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:48 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
The lie you've been whining about is from page 3. Martin had nothing to do with it.

Rick was trying to show you how lying in politics could be a problem. He was giving you examples. You replied:

"Can't you see the difference between the examples you made and being mistaken about your heritage?"

Warren's lie was not specifically about being Cherokee. It was her registering as a Native American then listing herself as a minority.

Your lie was in attempting to dilute the truth by presenting the lie as nothing more than her being "mistaken about her heritage." Your lie lay in obfuscation.

Warren tried to do something similar when years later she was challenged on her deception and tried to get the lie lost in a claim of having some Cherokee blood. Apparently, her parents told her she had some Indian blood somewhere and she tells us they had high cheekbones like a Cherokee so they must have been telling the truth - or something like that.

Good enough to register into Harvard as Native American then list yourself on job applications as a minority, you think? No it's not. Even her Cherokee distraction was a lie. And when you get on board with it yours is a lie too.

Page 3, eh? three or four posts on that page. No lies in any of them, unless it was actually lightening bugs plummeling poor martini. I did state that she thought she was Cherokee but that's making a statement about what she said. Even if she wasn't, I'm mot telling a lie. Even if Warren herself told it, knowing it was false, my repeating it does not make me a liar, unless I knew specifically it was a lie. As this thread is the first time I have heard of the woman, I think not.
I'm not sure Warren registered herself as Native American or Harvard did it. The sources provided by you clearly state there is no evidence of her trying to gain something for it.
And she didn't go to Harvard (registered for school) she taught there one year. Went for her education elsewhere.
You seem obsessed with some lie being told by her and seem to think that my repeating what she said is a lie on my part. Unless I actually KNOW that what she said was a lie, than it's not on me. I have said that she claimed to be Cherokee. That is true! I stated that she believed that: l also believe she believed that. All true.
But no worries, Trump has gotten his third intifada so he won't need Warren anymore to distract front his problems. Grabbem by the you know what....


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:49 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
And that's just virtue signaling.

Personally, I thought Trump should have stayed with the one everybody else uses - "Fauxcahontos." Much funnier.

Maybe he thought that didn't show the original Pocohontos enough respect though. :wink:


I don't know what virtue signaling is. One of these neologisms of the alt-right, I suppose. You can't no sense to racists though.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:19 pm
 


The Navajo code talkers had no problem with Trump's talk to them. Those who do have a problem with it are engaging in a smug pretense of imagined moral superiority. They're moral posers.

Would you prefer I put it that way?

Also by insinuating an inadequacy in the code talkers not sharing their outrage, it seems more than a little bit racist.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:35 pm
 


BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Oh please every 2 or 3 Americans I meet swears to be 1 16th Indian. And it’s never one of the obscure tribes like Miccosukee or Abenaki, they always swear to be decended from a tribe that has a SUV or military helicopter named after it like Commanche or Apache or Cherokee. I guess that’s the whole “cultural appropriation” thing eh? Is it ironic that whites only appropriate the identity of tribes most famous for killing white people?


My family used to tell the bullshit story that we had some native in the family tree and then I did the DNA.

98% Scottish and 2% Afghan. 8)

So I imagine that the "we have an Indian princess in the family" was probably a popular or trendy thing to say at one time and given that my family lived in Massachusetts like Warren's family did then maybe that's where she picked it up.

Still, you don't put that on your college application when at best it's just a family legend.


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