[Guy_Fawkes]

This is one of those cases where I wish our government was as secretive and dirty as the foilers think. I would be very happy if Khadr just disappeared under a black hood never to be seen again.

[Demian_164]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Demian_164 Demian_164:

i think im with andy on this one. its our own fault for handing out citizenship to this guy and family that we have to be concerned with it. importing people from all over the world this kind of thing is bound to happen no matter what country we decide to invade next.

brock, if we invaded the UK, killed civilians etc, you wouldn't want to go defend your homeland?

this guy should be brought to justice, he should be deported and have citizenship revoked since he obviously doesn't want to be on "our side". but its kind of understandable.

also interesting how he is labelled a murderer but a government issued uniform makes the offense excusable...

More warped logic. Afghanistan wasn't Khadr's homeland. His parents are from Eygpt and he's from Canada. More Jihadi apologists.

he spent most of his life living in pakistan i read. fundamentalist islamists dont believe in a nation state, its muslim and non muslim lands. anyways im just trying to understand the guy and why he was there and did what he did. especially at such a young age.

[Lemmy]

Demian_164 Demian_164:

he spent most of his life living in pakistan i read. fundamentalist islamists dont believe in a nation state, its muslim and non muslim lands. anyways im just trying to understand the guy and why he was there and did what he did. especially at such a young age.

He did what he did because he's indoctrinated. He belongs in jail forever because you can't un-indoctrinate someone.

[EyeBrock]

You are just looking for excuses to justify his actions. You are not alone but I don't get it.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Why? I am completely serious, how would knowing his genesis going to change anything. He is a person who, as a young boy, helped murder other people. That will NEVER get sympathy from me. Lock him up until he is only a threat to himself.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Nice back-pedalling andy.

One minute he’s fighting for Afghanistan just like our guys fought on Juno Beach, the next he and his family should be deported.

You are all over the map on this. Having trouble choosing a side?

There is your black and white thinking again. He has to be all bad or all good. I feel sorry for him because he was brainwashed at a young age and forced to go and fight. I see his actions in defending a country he was taught to care for as no different than Canadians fighting for Britain or France. But, I do think he's probably beyond reach for stopping his jihad, and even if he is, his family will push him into it again. It's no different than if we harbored a German who continued to believe in Nazism and wanted to continue the fight. The ideal is would be to send him to some Muslim country. We can't do that, so I hope we keep a close watch on him when he gets out. If we could say he committed treason, that would be great. But my guess is the Reformacons have explored that possibility and not found it to be possible.

[Guy_Fawkes]

$1:

I see his actions in defending a country he was taught to care for as no different than Canadians fighting for Britain or France.

That's an epic fail. I suggest you read into WWI and WWII again.

The big difference being the people that fought in those war were soldier Khadr is a murder NOT a soldier.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

More warped logic. Afghanistan wasn't Khadr's homeland. His parents are from Eygpt and he's from Canada. More Jihadi apologists.

See what I mean? It's like shaking the almond trees.

[andyt]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

$1:

I see his actions in defending a country he was taught to care for as no different than Canadians fighting for Britain or France.

That's an epic fail. I suggest you read into WWI and WWII again.

Well you're going to have to give me more to go on than that. Canadians fought for another country because they saw us as allies of that country and wanted to defeat what they saw as evil. I'm sure Khadr had much the same motivation.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Kahdr was fighting a religious war for the glory of his god. The ends justified the means, if the same was so in WWI the Germans would have used gas right up to the end of the war. If Khadr would not have been caught do you think he would have batted and eyelash at killing a medic? If he would have been given the chance to leave Afghanistan and come home do you think he would have wanted to? There are pictures of him smiling proud making IEDs to indiscriminately kill infidels. If a muslim had been killed by his bomb he would have though 'it is sad but that is Allah's will'.

In no way is Kadhr like a turn of the century soldier, even the SS wore uniforms to distinguish friend from foe.

[Demian_164]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Demian_164 Demian_164:

he spent most of his life living in pakistan i read. fundamentalist islamists dont believe in a nation state, its muslim and non muslim lands. anyways im just trying to understand the guy and why he was there and did what he did. especially at such a young age.

He did what he did because he's indoctrinated. He belongs in jail forever because you can't un-indoctrinate someone.

he belongs in jail because you cant un-incdoctrinate someone? what the hell does that even mean? somone can be an indoctrinated marxist...should they go to jail for that? what about nazis after WWII that america and USSR were more than happy to use to their benefit?

he should go to jail if he is found guilty in a fair trial.

[Demian_164]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

$1:

I see his actions in defending a country he was taught to care for as no different than Canadians fighting for Britain or France.

That's an epic fail. I suggest you read into WWI and WWII again.

The big difference being the people that fought in those war were soldier Khadr is a murder NOT a soldier.

do you have to be an enlisted man in order to be a "soldier"? what if another country occupied canada, and you were fighting a guerilla war to repel them... since you are wearing a t-shirt inside of khakis that makes you a murderer instead of a soldier?

[Lemmy]

Demian_164 Demian_164:

he belongs in jail because you cant un-incdoctrinate someone? what the hell does that even mean? somone can be an indoctrinated marxist...should they go to jail for that? what about nazis after WWII that america and USSR were more than happy to use to their benefit?

Indoctrination isn't something that can be undone. You're confusing supporters with the indoctrinated. There were lots of ex-Nazis but the reason they were ex-Nazis is they were never indoctrinated. Those who were died Nazis.

Demian Demian:

he should go to jail if he is found guilty in a fair trial.

His defence does not contest the actus reus of this offence. Since the mens rea is indoctrination to the cause of jihad, he belongs in jail forever on the grounds of segregation. He'll always be dangerous because he'll always be a jihadist.

[PluggyRug]

Lemmy Lemmy:

He'll always be dangerous because he'll always be a jihadist.

Exactly!

[Demian_164]

my friends grandfather was in the SS, served in france, poland, and was part of the german division which advanced the furthest into russia. his grandfather told him before he died about the war, about the people he killed, houses he burned and crimes he committed. he was a die hard nazi-yet after the war, never committed a crime. there is no way you can tell me EVERY indoctrinated nazi died in the war and the survivors are just followers, its total bullshit. you have no way to prove this.

I think this kid COULD be helped. shouldnt we be trying? doesnt he at least deserve a fair trial?

should he be locked in guantanamo and tortured for the rest of his life?