[EyeBrock]

Ken, you guys pouted and puffed until you got what you wanted.

The FLQ and "Vive la Quebec Libre" didn't go un-noticed by by us dumb Anglos.

Was there a huge public movement outside Quebec for bi-linguilism? Er no.

And the odd sign in Punjabi or Mandarin is way different than having the right to challenge your speeding ticket that you got in Oakville in French.
As in a codified right to have a French trial in a town that has a 1% French population at best.

Can I get my trial for a ticket in Joliet, Quebec in English? Nope.

Not equal treatment.

[PluggyRug]

kenmore kenmore:

Why get your nickers in a knot over the signage? Do you get pissed with the Chinese and Punjabi signs on streets in Vancouver? ...

No, and that's the problem, you people getting pissed with English signage in Quebec.

[kenmore]

Thats not quite true. you are talking the minority here. The law is the law, the average Québecer doesn't give a crap really. You guys have your bias in place and you don't really have a handle of the politics of it. The PQ went a little far with the bill 101 thing..it was necessary to have it, but the separatists are a little over zealous. But lets on put all Québecers in the same mold as the separatists.

[kenmore]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ken, you guys pouted and puffed until you got what you wanted.

The FLQ and "Vive la Quebec Libre" didn't go un-noticed by by us dumb Anglos.

Was there a huge public movement outside Quebec for bi-linguilism? Er no.

And the odd sign in Punjabi or Mandarin is way different than having the right to challenge your speeding ticket that you got in Oakville in French.
As in a codified right to have a French trial in a town that has a 1% French population at best.

Can I get my trial for a ticket in Joliet, Quebec in English? Nope.

Not equal treatment.

"Can I get my trial for a ticket in Joliet, Quebec in English"? Nope

YES you can my friend you can have any government service in English if you request it.. or you can have an interpreter.

[EyeBrock]

Ken, can I get a traffic ticket trial in English in Quebec? No.

But you can get a traffic ticket trial in Ontario conducted in French only. Oh yea! I've been there.

I'm no anti-Quebec type, I just think all Canadians should get equal treatment.
The Quebecois get special treatment.

That's not equal.

[EyeBrock]

kenmore kenmore:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ken, you guys pouted and puffed until you got what you wanted.

The FLQ and "Vive la Quebec Libre" didn't go un-noticed by by us dumb Anglos.

Was there a huge public movement outside Quebec for bi-linguilism? Er no.

And the odd sign in Punjabi or Mandarin is way different than having the right to challenge your speeding ticket that you got in Oakville in French.
As in a codified right to have a French trial in a town that has a 1% French population at best.

Can I get my trial for a ticket in Joliet, Quebec in English? Nope.

Not equal treatment.

"Can I get my trial for a ticket in Joliet, Quebec in English"? Nope

YES you can my friend you can have any government service in English if you request it.. or you can have an interpreter.

No you can't. You can get a criminal code trial in both languages but a provincial offence in Quebec is conducted in French only.

[kenmore]

And I would suggest ( once again) if you want to understand the issue in Québec, study the history, then you will have a better handle on why things are the way they are. Lets not forget that Québec is, and always was a french settlement with the majority being francophone. So why is it a problem to have french as the official language. Lets not forget also that there are french people throughout Canada from Acadie to Manitoba, Northern Ontario etc. And those francophones outside Québec lobbied for bilingualism years before any FLQ crises in Québec.

[Proculation]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ken, can I get a traffic ticket trial in English in Quebec? No.

But you can get a traffic ticket trial in Ontario conducted in French only. Oh yea! I've been there.

I'm no anti-Quebec type, I just think all Canadians should get equal treatment.
The Quebecois get special treatment.

That's not equal.

Yes you can. I've been to municipal court sometimes and there were people contesting their ticket in english.

[kenmore]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

kenmore kenmore:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ken, you guys pouted and puffed until you got what you wanted.

The FLQ and "Vive la Quebec Libre" didn't go un-noticed by by us dumb Anglos.

Was there a huge public movement outside Quebec for bi-linguilism? Er no.

And the odd sign in Punjabi or Mandarin is way different than having the right to challenge your speeding ticket that you got in Oakville in French.
As in a codified right to have a French trial in a town that has a 1% French population at best.

Can I get my trial for a ticket in Joliet, Quebec in English? Nope.

Not equal treatment.

"Can I get my trial for a ticket in Joliet, Quebec in English"? Nope

YES you can my friend you can have any government service in English if you request it.. or you can have an interpreter.

No you can't. You can get a criminal code trial in both languages but a provincial offence in Quebec is conducted in French only.

Did you ask for it... I have english friends in Joliet and they have been to court many times for traffic violations and its always done in Anglais

[EyeBrock]

Ken, history aside, unequal treatment cannot be excused by the past. Today is 9th November 2009, not 1679.

However you try and spin it, you get French service in Oakville and I don't get English service in Joliet.

Not equal treatment and leave history out of it.

You guys need to let go. We forgave the Romans and the Normans.

[kenmore]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

There's probably more Newfies in the CF than Quebecois. Do the math re population.

Ken, I like you but on this stuff Quebec has made it's case years ago. Nothing has changed.
Zombies refusing to march and Trudeau riding his bike with a German helmet on at Harvard while the Hamilton Light Infantry got massacred at Dieppe.

We get your views on this and Quebec’s stance is no different now than it was when Le Devoir whipped up the Quebecois masses against the Great War.

Je vous aime aussi/ I like you too. I will get the stats for the military. I will not defend M. Trudeau however. I will only say that at the time he was rebellious and anti estabishment. The issue of him and his German helmet is dealt with in the book Citizen of the World by John English. At that time in history he was young and foolish and a student. I only judge him by his works and deeds as a minister of government and Prime Minister. And my opinion on that is he did Canada proud..

[MacDonaill]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Quebec has forced bi-linguilism on the rest of Canada, in forms, signs, court, the military and anything federal.
Yet it prohibits English in Quebec to preserve the Quebecios culture. Not equal treatment.

That's what the fuck it has to do with me.

Quebec has forced bilingualism on the rest of Canada? No!

The existence of a large francophone population necessitates a certain degree of bilingualism on the federal level in this country. Nevertheless, the Government of Quebec itself has never and could never 'force' the federal government to do anything.

I see French signs in certain places, for example, in Ontario. This is because the French-speaking minority of this province fought for this and won it. So if English-speaking Quebeckers want to fight for unilingual English signs in their own province, why don't you let them do that. (Psst... they're not doing it 'cause they don't give a rat's ass. Only constipated, frog-stomping English guys in the ROC care about this shit).

[kenmore]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ken, history aside, unequal treatment cannot be excused by the past. Today is 9th November 2009, not 1679.

However you try and spin it, you get French service in Oakville and I don't get English service in Joliet.

Not equal treatment and leave history out of it.

You guys need to let go. We forgave the Romans and the Normans.

I tend to agree with you, however I personally don't have anything to let go of.
I am a proud Quécois of English/French heritage. I live in the best country in the world ( bar none) and only wish peace between the two founding peoples.
I ( coming from both cultures) understand both sides. I was born long after the war, but I am well aware of the issues surrounding conscription. I have uncles who were french that joined willingly and have some who did not. I also have British uncles who were against the war. I supported bill 101 because I agree with the need to protect and conserve french language and culture in a English dominant North America. There are radicals on both sides. I do not support an independent Québec as it would be disasterous for Canada and Québec. One can not leave history out of it,, if we don't know and learn from out past, we can not build for the future.

[MacDonaill]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You guys need to let go. We forgave the Romans and the Normans.

The English did no such thing. You didn't forgive them, you became them. Different story. I don't seem to be typing this in Anglo-Saxon, which must mean that those original 'English' people must have allowed the Romans and Normans to entirely corrupt their language to finally give us what we speak today.

So by 'let go', I suppose you mean just stop speaking their own language and living their own culture? Great plan.

Most intelligent people on both sides have actually already let go of these preposterous war stories (you're obviously not one of them). The issue at hand today, I permit myself to remind you, is how two modern cultures speaking two of the West's greatest languages can co-inhabit one country in a spirit of mutual respect without one culture eclipsing the other.

Your solution seems to be something like: 'hey frogs, get with the programme, we're running the show so speak fuckin' English or piss off'. THAT just doesn't cut it, mate.

[MacDonaill]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

However you try and spin it, you get French service in Oakville and I don't get English service in Joliet.

Not true. Anglo-Quebeckers get service in English pretty anywhere. I lived in the continents most Francophone region where more than 99% of the population was French-speaking, and I could have lived my whole life there in English (and knew some people who did just that!)

You can basically get by quite nicely in Quebec without ever knowing a word of French. Not the same story in Ontario if you don't speak anything but French.