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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:12 pm
 


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Pitch Black was great. Chronicles Of Riddick was so-so first time around but improves greatly as an epic after multiple viewings. The new film is supposed to be closer to Pitch Black in tone than Chronicles was.


I agree, Chronicles gets better every time I watch it. Even though Vin Diesel is in it. :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:57 pm
 


I'm sure everyone knows by now that the bad guy in the new Star Trek movie is Khan Noonian Singh.

So far as I know, the new movie is the bastard child of Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country.

Sure, I still plan on seeing it in IMAX, but I'm already sort of disappointed that they didn't do something more original.


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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 2:08 pm
 


Yeah, it sounds like they really screwed the pooch on Star Trek. The more serious reviews at places like io9 are saying that it's a major disappointment and/or it not absolutely sucks.


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:23 am
 


Seen it last night and it was.... okay. Disapointed that it had simular ending to Wrath of Khan. Don't go in thinking it is a total waste. It had some good points in it and was enjoyable. Problem is it was not diffrent in the way the first remake/reset was.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 1:56 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Yeah, it sounds like they really screwed the pooch on Star Trek. The more serious reviews at places like io9 are saying that it's a major disappointment and/or it not absolutely sucks.


That's probably becuase it's not overloaded with techno babble and boredom. I saw it last night and thought it was pretty good. Pretty good but not super duper.

The Trekkie nerds have to face reality that jj Abrams isn't going to make them a movie that's going to jerk them off.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 2:12 pm
 


JarJar and Lindelof are both key figures in the Hollywood schlock machine. It was my fault for assuming that they'd be brave enough to do something different, or expect that they'd actually mine the massive Star Trek canon for something new and exciting, instead of doing the thing most likely to appease the casual viewing mouthbreathers who don't give a fuck about Trek anyway and to make the most money possible. Maybe with five TV series there was just too much stuff for them to sift through and picking a big bag of Khan off the shelf just made it that much easier. :roll:

Fuck them and fuck this film. I'll wait until it's on cable before I even bother to look at it. :evil:


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:19 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
JarJar and Lindelof are both key figures in the Hollywood schlock machine. It was my fault for assuming that they'd be brave enough to do something different, or expect that they'd actually mine the massive Star Trek canon for something new and exciting, instead of doing the thing most likely to appease the casual viewing mouthbreathers who don't give a fuck about Trek anyway and to make the most money possible. Maybe with five TV series there was just too much stuff for them to sift through and picking a big bag of Khan off the shelf just made it that much easier. :roll:

Fuck them and fuck this film. I'll wait until it's on cable before I even bother to look at it. :evil:


Seriously, there's a huge gold mine with the Dominion War from Deep Space 9. They should start using it...

The U.S.S. Defiant on the big screen... [drool]


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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:21 pm
 


And so...I watched Star Trek: Into Darkness, and it was what I expected. Entertaining, mindless action. I enjoyed it, knowing that I'll get more and more angry the more I think about any aspect of the story.


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Fans have a hard time admitting a basic thing about movie production and that's the studios are more interested in roping in the casual viewer than they in pleasing the hardcore fan. The fan is going to show up regardless to provide a sci-fi/comic-book movie with it's base amount of income but they need the casual viewer or movie-goer to bring in the balance of the money for them. The casual viewer, that may or may not have watched previous movies or be knowledgeable about what happened on TV series or from the comic books, is going to come and watch for something familiar and comfortable that they know from the background of pop-culture. That's why with any Superman film the main go-to villains will always be Lex Luthor and General Zod, and not Brainiac or Darkseid. Same with Batman, where no matter how many times these movies are made, the villains will invariably be The Joker, Catwoman, and the Penguin/Riddler. That Christopher Nolan actually went with Scarecrow and Bane in two of the movies was astonishing, but it'll be a cold day in hell before Clayface or Killer Croc gets into a Batman movie. It's also why, no matter how many times SpiderMan gets re-made, they'll always do an origin story, because they can't risk that the casual viewer saw any of the previous movies and is already familiar with the Peter Parker history.

And now we see they've done the same with Star Trek. Garth Of Izar or Gary Mitchell would have been far too risky for them to build a new movie around. Khan though, as an already known entity from the 1984 movie, was a safe choice. They knew that the previous Khan movie had already laid the groundwork for something the casual viewer would recognize and had produced solid profits during it's own release (and even more over the last thirty years), so it makes all kinds of business sense to re-do Khan all over again and watch money-making history repeat itself. The thing that has to be remembered is that, despite all their self-congratulatory bullshit that they repeat endlessly, Hollywood producers and directors for the most part aren't interested in breaking new ground, or doing something genuinely revolutionary. They're as hidebound and conservative and subject to strict orthodoxy, and as desperately reliant on proven formulas, as any other group or association out there. What's safe will make money, and that's the primary consideration behind everything they do. Taking risks might affect the cash flow so risks will not be taken. That's how directors and producers like Abrams or Michael Bay keep themselves working. They're the safe alternative with proven track records of revenue generating. And writers like Damon Lindelof and Roberto Orci are the same. They write things that meet the requirements of the profit-generating formula, and that's all that the producers really want from them. Safe means that their investment is returned to them, and that they'll make a ton more as profit. That it's good for the franchise or shows any respect for the canon that it's based in really isn't a consideration for any of them. They're happy, the casual viewer that provides them with the icing for the cake is happy, and the cycle repeats itself all over again with the next genre franchise they move on to. The real fan might be massively disappointed with the way they and their favourite fictional universes are being treated but, as they're going to show up the next time anyway no matter how hard they're repeatedly hit in the head with a 2 x 4, that's just the way it is so too bad for them. And the producers can always also hold up a huge whammy that justifies their business and creative approach. Joss Whedon produced and directed Serenity to provide closure for the fans of Firefly. The fans were ecstatic and went home happy. Too bad no one else cared though. With an expectation that anyone who saw the film had to be familiar with Firefly, the casual viewers stayed away altogether and, regardless of being a massive fan favourite and well regarded by the critics, the film barely made back it's production costs.

Anyone who thinks that JJ Abrams is going to do anything that improves Star Wars is fooling themselves badly. If his SW is anything like his ST has been, all that's going to happen will be that another threadbare story packed with cardboard characters and absolutely vapid dialogue will be covered up by incredibly expensive CGI and other SPFX. And it won't be any different at all from what would have happened if George Lucas had remained in charge. From what I think about Abrams' ST is that SW won't be pulled up in quality, rather that SW will be pulled down to what Abrams' has done to ST. A real rejuvenation of Star Wars would have happened if a director/producer like Guillermo Del Toro, or Zack Snyder, or even Brian Singer, had been hired to take over the franchise; something genuinely revolutionary would be if they hired some of the directors who've been working for HBO on things like The Sopranos, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, or Game Of Thrones. But with JJ Abrams now in control? No way. What's he's going to do to Star Wars will probably make people wistful and longing for what was "accomplished" in Episodes One thru Three by George Lucas and, on every meaningful level of quality (except for profit-making), Lucas didn't accomplish much with those three films. We certainly won't be getting anything out of Abrams as magnificent on the level of The Empire Strikes Back reached and, by the time it's all said and done, we'll be lucky if what gets produced even meets the bottom-dwelling standards of The Phantom Menace.


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:56 am
 


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Guillermo Del Toro

Del Toro backed out of a project, thus killing it for now, to bring HP Lovecraft's 'At the Mountains of Madness' to the big screen, because the studios wanted to water it down to a PG, from his vision which would have given it an R rating. If he couldn't do it justice, he wasn't going to attach his name to it


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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:08 am
 


I solved the problem of watered down and mindless action movies a while ago, I bring out a book and forget the movie.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:47 am
 


I liked the Iron Man one better than the Star Trek one but they were both fun.

Iron Man is one of the few who are not boring with their suit off. :P


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:03 pm
 


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I liked the Iron Man one better than the Star Trek one but they were both fun.

Iron Man is one of the few who are not boring with their suit off. :P



Strange.

I pretty much felt the same way about all of the ladies who played Catwoman. :D


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:35 pm
 


I saw Star Trek: Into Darkness last Thursday (May 23) in IMAX.

The sound was way too loud but that was a theatre-specific issue, not a problem with the movie.

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IMAX does justice to the size and scale of the ships and the climactic scene that takes place in San Francisco. There's just something about that huge screen that really brings you into the film.

The movie itself was good, but definitely not great. Like other Star Trek movies I've seen in the past, this was really just a better-than-average episode of Star Trek and not really the kind of plot I expect for a movie that cost me $20.

The opening sequence was utterly pointless since it had nothing much to do with the rest of the film. Yes, I know, it set up for the rehash of a key scene of ST2WoK, but we could have skipped the opening sequence and still managed to figure this out. The first act was obviated almost immediately in the film.

Benedict Cumberbatch portraying Khan. WTF? [huh]

With twenty-four million Sikhs in the world was it really too damn hard to find one capable of playing the role instead of hiring a pasty-faced British momma's boy for the role of a sunbaked strongman from the Subcontinent?

Cumberbatch is a fine actor on his own merits but he wasn't Khan to me. I wish they'd have just given him a different name for the character instead of making me reconcile Ricardo Montalban's Khan with the new one.

Next up JJ Abrams will probably have Adam Sandler portraying the great Zulu leader Shaka kaSenzangakhona. :roll:

The Enterprise's victory over the dreadnought was too easy. Way too easy.

If you can now beam people via transwarp transport to anywhere in the galaxy then why bother with a very expensive Starfleet? :?:

Eh. I guess this just left me disappointed.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:44 pm
 


Totally agree. It was good, but it could have been so much more with a little more effort.


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