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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:06 pm
 


In response to the latest imagined calamity plaguing the troubled minds of poor little proggies.

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Here We Go: Harvard Professors Claim Thousands Will Die If Obamacare is Repealed


Now, Harvard professors are piling on the fear mongering by claiming at least 43,000 people will die if Obamacare is repealed.

First, it's important to remember who brought us Obamacare: professors. Take for example MIT professor and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber. He's the guy who called Americans stupid and advocated for a lack of transparency in order to get away with an increase in healthcare costs through Obamacare.



Second, people weren't dying in the streets before Obamacare and they won't be dying in the streets after Obamacare is repealed. Certainly not by the thousands. You will however find thousands of deaths over at the VA, where veterans are still waiting for healthcare.

Third as President Trump, Speaker Ryan and all Republicans have been saying for years, Obamacare will not be repealed without a viable replacement that keeps those previously insured covered in the future.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... d-n2275592

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Death by repeal? If you cook the data, yes


"It makes me think of the Mark Twain quote about lies, darned lies and statistics, because there is a little bit of manipulation going on here," Manning offers. "In fact, when Senator Bernie Sanders [I-Vermont] made a similar claim, the Washington Post fact checker gave him Four Pinocchios. So I think this is a bunch of bunk."

The warning from Himmelstein and Woolhandler comes after claims and concerns that repealing ObamaCare will cut jobs and add to the deficit. Manning contends a lot of fear-mongering is going on.

"They cited some statistics about Medicaid coverage and how Medicaid coverage prevents death, but there's a couple problems with that," she explains. "One thing is that giving someone health insurance coverage through Medicaid and taking it back are two different things – and the effect isn't always one to one."

Manning adds that another important study that was also published in the New England Journal of Medicine looked at the Medicaid expansion in the state of Oregon. That study found that there was no measurable impact on the health of the people who enrolled in Medicaid versus people who are uninsured.

"So we have to keep in mind that you can make the numbers say whatever you want to, but Medicaid is not the best way to insure people," she continues. "Private insurance is much better. And if we want those low-income Americans to have better healthcare and better outcomes, we have to focus on reducing the root cost of healthcare and private health insurance instead of throwing them into Medicaid, which I think is a lazy way to try to solve their problems."


https://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-gov ... e-data-yes

And just who are David Himmelstein, and Steffie Woolhandler anyway? They are Harvard professors. Yes, and...

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Doctors David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler are the two leading lights of the single payer movement. As such, they have been harshly critical of Obamneycare.

Most recently, Woolhandler appeared on Democracy Now on January 9 and said “at this point, it’s pretty clear the American people got a good look at Obamacare and said – this is not a solution, this is not working.”

“And many of them do in fact support the idea of a single-payer Medicare for all. And that’s what we need to be pushing right now.”

“Well, we need to be saying that we need to go beyond the Affordable Care Act to a single-payer system,” Woolhandler said. “Merely trying to defend the Affordable Care Act at this point is not going to work. The American people have seen it for three years and rejected it. And, you know, 20 million people got insurance, and that’s great, but there were 280 million people who saw no improvements in their healthcare.

They still can’t afford healthcare despite having private insurance, because of the co-payments and the deductibles in those narrow networks. So we need to go to a system that fixes the healthcare system for everyone.


http://www.singlepayeraction.org/2017/0 ... oom-floor/

Not even the co-writer of the paper you're putting forward as final evidence believes the ACA is going to improve everybody's healthcare.

WaPo edited a key bit of information out to create a kind of "fake news" repost.

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That’s why it came as a bit of a shock that Himmelstein and Woolhandler penned an opinion piece for the Washington Post today titled “Repealing the Affordable Care Act will Kill More than 43,000 People Annually” defending Obamneycare and not mentioning single payer.

It just didn’t make sense.

And of course, it wasn’t true.

Woolhandler and Himmelstein did state their preference for single payer in their original submission to the Post.

It’s just that it got cut out by the editors.

Without permission.

And without explanation.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:02 pm
 


Yeah, single payer - which most of the rest of the civilized world has but the GOP wouldn't allow when the insurance companies called in their markers to put a halt to anything that might threaten their profits. Even Obama wasn't happy about the end result. People without coverage finally got some but in the usual American corporate kleptocratic way of doing things the insurance companies still finished far ahead of everyone else.

Seen this yet, chuckles? It's from one of your GOP bros in Minnesota where they're trying to gut the state health care plan as much as the Trumpkins and Paul Ryan's Randroids are doing on the federal level. This is a photo of what they want taken out of public coverage:

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"Important mom-and-pop insurance companies are suffering under the Big Government whip! We can only help them by reducing the government-covered portion to a bottle of aspirin and a box of small band-aids once per year!".

https://maryturck.com/2017/01/23/guttin ... lican-way/

Why do you guys even pretend that you have anything resembling a conscience when it's 100% clear to anyone paying attention that with the things you support that you have none at all?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:39 pm
 


As I heard it that was an amendment from Drazkowski to the bill that passed through the house. It was supposed to be some kind of a la carte deal where you picked the problems you wanted covered on your health plan, but deleted those you didn't want.

The way I heard it everybody thought it was a dumb idea and it was pulled from the bill. Isn't that what happened?

If so, what's the problem?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:03 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
raydan raydan:
Thanos Thanos:
Why don't you just admit already you really don't give a fuck about anyone or anything and that you only really do this because of the way it makes you feel when your ideological team "wins" whatever the fuck it is you're constantly agitating for? :?

Group think is strong in that one. :D


They aren't pro-life. They're not even pro-baby. They're pro-birth because their idiot ideology and religion has brainwashed them into believing that being coerced by force by the state into having an infant that they aren't financially or personally able to take proper care of is the best punishment possible for the evil act of having sex outside of marriage. They don't care about anything except the bullying thrill of having the heel of their boot across the throat of anyone they don't like. :evil:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:10 pm
 


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Given that the poorest people who are required to buy insurance under ACA also have to take the cheapest $10,000 deductible option then the fact is that most of these people are not going to have access to health care when the first $10,000 in annual expenses has to come out of their pockets.

WTF?? $10,000
What kind of insurance is that? That's goddam insane fraud, it's even legal? 7-11 workers here bitch they have to pay $300 deductible on a year's meds. Co-pays, shit like that makes you wonder if some damn Republican made an exemption for anything medical from the Consumer Protection Laws.


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Grrrrrrr....... :evil:

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This mind-bending definition of “pro-life” has long been in effect, but there has been some good news for both abortion rights advocates and detractors: the abortion rate in the U.S. has steadily declined over the past three decades. A recent Guttmacher Institute report found that the abortion rate is the lowest it’s been since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. Both Planned Parenthood and anti-abortion groups have tried to lay claim to these declining numbers.

Only one of those entities, however, can accurately do so: researchers say the increased use of long-acting contraceptives, not abortion restrictions at the state level, have most contributed to the drop in the abortion rate. Between 2007 and 2012, the use of long-acting contraceptive devices—like IUDs and implants—more than tripled. From that perspective, repealing the Affordable Care Act could very well lead to a spike in abortions, as fewer women are able to afford effective birth control. Two scholars have estimated that repealing the Affordable Care Act would lead to the deaths of 43,000 people per year.

Texas is one such state that has restricted, defunded and shut down family planning clinics across the state. As a result, according to a 2016 study in the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology, Texas has the highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world. Sometimes, celebrating a “culture of life” can look a lot like someone else’s funeral.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:32 pm
 


herbie herbie:
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Given that the poorest people who are required to buy insurance under ACA also have to take the cheapest $10,000 deductible option then the fact is that most of these people are not going to have access to health care when the first $10,000 in annual expenses has to come out of their pockets.

WTF?? $10,000
What kind of insurance is that? That's goddam insane fraud, it's even legal?



So it's obvious you have never looked at anything in the ACA,
just swallowed the kool aid that if Obama did it must be wonderful.

Fact is, while everyone whines about all the people who got Obongocare for free,
millions more got royally fucked. But that's just the white middle class facist tax payers,
so they don't count.


Just stay ignorant.



Thanos Thanos:
Yeah, single payer - which most of the rest of the civilized world has


And you might want to remind yourself that they are rapidly going broke over.

Just remind yourself when you will need it, it won't be available, even though
you paid into it your whole life.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:39 pm
 


Wish I hadn't been too busy to check if there was a march nearby. They looked fun.

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I imagine it's refreshing to be at rally with a salient point.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:44 pm
 


The girl's didn't seem to mind much that they weren't allowed to march last week.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:49 pm
 


Poor girl's though. They missed out on so much positive messaging for women last week, didn't they?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:50 pm
 


martin14 martin14:
And you might want to remind yourself that they are rapidly going broke over.


You mean the American system, that charges the most and delivers the worst results in the entire developed world?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:52 pm
 


Apparently last week's women dropped by today's march to spread their cheer.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:56 pm
 


Ahh, but look at what today's lady's missed last week.

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"We the people" in hijab's. Cause nothing says women's rights like a little genital mutilation and an Islamic right cross to the lipstick.

What did today's crowd have to offer? Some smiles and a wish 4 life.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:03 am
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Apparently last week's women dropped by today's march to spread their cheer.

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So it's summer in Toronto and DC now? Nice to know, con artist. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:19 am
 




That was 2015's March for Life :P

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/05/14/topl ... -abortion/

Guess it would have been a little nippy on the nips for those heroes today. 8)


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