[Newsbot]

Title: New Taser standards in place for B.C. police
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2012-01-30 17:16:49
Canadian

[Smacle]

� Tasers are only to be used on violent people

� Officers must give verbal warnings before shocking anyone

� Shocks cannot last for more than five seconds



Those are NEW rules?!

[DrCaleb]

Smacle Smacle:

� Tasers are only to be used on violent people

� Officers must give verbal warnings before shocking anyone

� Shocks cannot last for more than five seconds



Those are NEW rules?!

Compared to the old ones?

- Suspects in cuffs can be tasered without warning

- Tasers are a perfectly acceptable alarm clock

- Tasers can be used instead of negotiation and social skills

- Tasers can be a perfectly good response to a man with a stapler

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Smacle Smacle:

� Tasers are only to be used on violent people

� Officers must give verbal warnings before shocking anyone

� Shocks cannot last for more than five seconds



Those are NEW rules?!

Compared to the old ones?

- Suspects in cuffs can be tasered without warning

- Tasers are a perfectly acceptable alarm clock

- Tasers can be used instead of negotiation and social skills

- Multiple (4x) Taserings can be a perfectly good response to a man with a stapler

- Tasers can be used on 80 yr old men lying in a hospital bed

- Tasers can be deployed when a suspect takes one step towards an officer, in knocked unconscious by the blast and falls face forward on some steps, smashing his teeth out. His crime - not giving up 2 unopened beers he was carrying on the Skytrain.

[BartSimpson]

Be sure to add: Tasers can be used to implement the death penalty on people who speak Polish.

[andyt]

That was the man with the stapler

[OnTheIce]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Be sure to add: Tasers can be used to implement the death penalty on people who speak Polish.

And who throw shit around, have a little bit of an anger problem and can't seem to recognize an authority figure.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Be sure to add: Tasers can be used to implement the death penalty on people who speak Polish.

And who throw shit around, have a little bit of an anger problem and can't seem to recognize an authority figure.

That kind of asshole definitely needs to be made an example of. Death by taser it is. Oh, sorry "Excited Delirium", whatever that is.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Be sure to add: Tasers can be used to implement the death penalty on people who speak Polish.

And who throw shit around, have a little bit of an anger problem and can't seem to recognize an authority figure.

That kind of asshole definitely needs to be made an example of. Death by taser it is. Oh, sorry "Excited Delirium", whatever that is.

Yes, we should give him a Teddy Bear and a cup of tea while playing "Dodge the Office Supplies".

Not everything in life can be handled with kid gloves.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

And who throw shit around, have a little bit of an anger problem and can't seem to recognize an authority figure.

That kind of asshole definitely needs to be made an example of. Death by taser it is. Oh, sorry "Excited Delirium", whatever that is.

Yes, we should give him a Teddy Bear and a cup of tea while playing "Dodge the Office Supplies".

Not everything in life can be handled with kid gloves.

How do we know if we don't even try?

[andyt]

Well duh, he was holding a stapler - grounds enough to zap him right there. (In fact they had decided to tase him before they ever got on scene).

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

How do we know if we don't even try?

So you stand around for 2 hours begging a guy to stop throwing shit around? You ask him to stop. He doesn't. You subdue him.

If you or are ended up in Poland, lost in the airport, we wouldn't get angry and start throwing shit. We'd also recognize a police man or woman. We'd be looking around, asking people for help....even if we don't speak Polish.

The man was not mentally retarded. He was a tradesman, a normal working man that should have known better. It was just a tragic accident.

Had the guy lived, it would be a complete non-issue.

[andyt]

Well, thank God the police are smarter than you, since these new standards are a direct result of the inquiry into Dziekanski's death.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

How do we know if we don't even try?

So you stand around for 2 hours begging a guy to stop throwing shit around? You ask him to stop. He doesn't. You subdue him. .

As i've said before, 4 big RCMP trained in such techniques would have no problem subduing him. Without resorting to the potentially lethal force they had decided to use long before they even knew the situation.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

If you or are ended up in Poland, lost in the airport, we wouldn't get angry and start throwing shit. We'd also recognize a police man or woman. We'd be looking around, asking people for help....even if we don't speak Polish.

The man was not mentally retarded. He was a tradesman, a normal working man that should have known better. It was just a tragic accident.

Had the guy lived, it would be a complete non-issue.

Even in Poland they would attempt to find an English speaker before laying the beat down on a guy who had been in a restriced area for many hours.

And, no had he lived it would be less of an issue. Not a non-issue. Violence is the last resort, not the first. Had he not died, we would never have found out that not all RCMP are Sgt. Preston, and the sometimes lie and conspire to do harm in the name of 'kicks'. And these rules governing taser use might never have to be.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

As i've said before, 4 big RCMP trained in such techniques would have no problem subduing him. Without resorting to the potentially lethal force they had decided to use long before they even knew the situation.

And if they tackle him to the ground, which was the other option, and he died, would that have been acceptable?

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Even in Poland they would attempt to find an English speaker before laying the beat down on a guy who had been in a restriced area for many hours.

And, no had he lived it would be less of an issue. Not a non-issue. Violence is the last resort, not the first. Had he not died, we would never have found out that not all RCMP are Sgt. Preston, and the sometimes lie and conspire to do harm in the name of 'kicks'. And these rules governing taser use might never have to be.

Beat down? He was zapped by a taser. A taser is far from "violence" and most often, safer than a traditional take down. 99%+ of people tasered aren't injured.

Taser incidents that result in death always have an underlying cause, such as the case with Dziekanski and his heart condition and alcoholism.

Police lie all the time, we didn't need an inquiry to find out that.