[Thanos]

The antics of fundie and evangelical American pastors in helping the Ugandan government draft laws that could have resulted in a literal genocide against gays in Uganda has long been concretely established as fact. I don't see much difference between Christians doing something like that and, for example, some Saudi Wahabbi cleric travelling to the US and encouraging the members of a mosque in Boston or wherever to start blowing things and infidels to pieces.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Funny how you folks don't hesitate to condemn all of Christianity due to the mere words of a few people but you'll limitlessly defend the actions of Islam and the murderous acts of now literally millions of moslems.

Quote please where all of Christianity is condemned? Even in the US, at least 50% of the Christians seem as sane as anybody else. 40+ percent don't believe in evolution - stupid but not evil. 30 percent believe the bible is Gods literal, inerrant, word. Very stupid and can certainly lead to evil. But hey, most Muslims believe the Koran is the direct word of God, so Christians are doing better here, percentage wise. As for stoning gays, that seems a small percentage of Christians, so doing much better than the Muslims in that regard, on a percentage basis. Individually, tho, these crazies are identical.

As long as the percentages don't shift, it will be alright. But jeez, when that many Americans can have such dangerous beliefs, you never know. Not all Iranians are radicals either, but they are ruled by them.

It's sad how you always need to posit things in either or fashion, black or white. I don't understand it, because to be a good soldier, I would think, you also would need to be able to suss out the nuances of a situation, have more than just an off or on switch. Makes we wonder if you really were a soldier (especially apparently an officer) or are just an internet hero.

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

As we've said literally millions of times, nobody is defending the actions of terrorists. It's not our fault that you're incapable of remembering it.

The defense of terrorism is indirect. You folks consistently deflect condemnation of terrorism by consistently refusing to acknowledge the fact that the terrorists are following the instructions of their religious leaders.

In turn those religious leaders are following the words of their prophet as they are clearly written.

You folks also have a hard time acknowledging that Islamic countries that are nations of laws (under Sharia) have due process and even though they have due process they do much the same things the terrorists do.

ISIS throws homosexuals off of rooftops to their deaths. Every now and again they mix it up and stone them to death.

Al Qaeda beheads them wherever's handy.

Iran hangs them on the back of trucks or from cranes.

Saudi Arabia beheads them in the middle of public streets.

Kuwait beheads them in private courtyards.

Bahrain executes them on the beach.

The Libyans shoot them.

&etc.

Do you see a pattern? Do you see a commonality?

Gee, what could all of these moslems have in common?

I guess you'll never know.

[andyt]

As far as Muslim extremism goes, moderate Muslims have a serious problem. They have to believe that the Koran is directly the word of God to be a good Muslim, hell to not be executed in some countries. There are a lot of evil or crazy passages in the Koran, so for these Muslims to not become evil themselves, they have to see these passages as metaphorical - ie like the proverbs in the bible. But then the question of course becomes, when was God being literal, when metaphorical. And who gets to decide.

A lot of Christianity has moved on from this rudimentary thinking. So Christians can see themselves as good Christians and still see the bible as just inspirational stories, for the most part. Except for the American Taliban, of course. And Bart, who flips out when archaeological evidence shows major elements of the bible could not have happened as described. Like Exodus. American Taliban.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

As we've said literally millions of times, nobody is defending the actions of terrorists. It's not our fault that you're incapable of remembering it.

The defense of terrorism is indirect. You folks consistently deflect condemnation of terrorism by consistently refusing to acknowledge the fact that the terrorists are following the instructions of their religious leaders.

In turn those religious leaders are following the words of their prophet as they are clearly written.

You folks also have a hard time acknowledging that Islamic countries that are nations of laws (under Sharia) have due process and even though they have due process they do much the same things the terrorists do.

ISIS throws homosexuals off of rooftops to their deaths. Every now and again they mix it up and stone them to death.

Al Qaeda beheads them wherever's handy.

Iran hangs them on the back of trucks or from cranes.

Saudi Arabia beheads them in the middle of public streets.

Kuwait beheads them in private courtyards.

Bahrain executes them on the beach.

The Libyans shoot them.

&etc.

Do you see a pattern? Do you see a commonality?

Gee, what could all of these moslems have in common?

I guess you'll never know.

What we consistently refuse to acknowledge is that all Muslims are evil, as you and your ilk consistently contend.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

What we consistently refuse to acknowledge is that all Muslims are evil, as you and your ilk consistently contend.

I've never said that.

I have said that Islam is evil and that it should be eradicated wherever it is found.

Just the same as Nazism and Japanese militarism were eradicated we can likewise eradicate Islam. And, last I checked, there's still plenty of Germans and Japanese around.

History shows that the civilized nations tolerated Nazism and Japanese militarism until both became immediate threats to civilization.

I figure that Islam will be tolerated in much the same way until nukes start going off or when entire Western cities or nations fall under Islamic rule.

And then we'll get to fight WW2 all over again and another generation will spill their blood on the beaches and in the fields of Europe.

At the end of it Islam will either be triumphant or defeated and it will be eradicated wherever it is found and there will be tens of millions of former Muslims.

[Public_Domain]

i'm down for society moving on from religion. bold strategy cotten.

[andyt]

So if the Nazis had said Judaism is evil and must be eradicated you'd have been fine with them? What exactly is the distinction? You are acting exactly as ISIS et al does - convert or die. Christians have moved on from that for some centuries now - you should catch up.

tens of millions of former Muslims, eh? Down from 1 billion plus. That's quite a slaughter you are envisioning there.

[Guy_Fawkes]

I guess there isn't much hope for reformation of Islam, like what happened to Christianity?

[Guy_Fawkes]

andyt andyt:

So if the Nazis had said Judaism is evil and must be eradicated you'd have been fine with them? What exactly is the distinction? You are acting exactly as ISIS et al does - convert or die. Christians have moved on from that for some centuries now - you should catch up.

tens of millions of former Muslims, eh? Down from 1 billion plus. That's quite a slaughter you are envisioning there.

Do you read your sentences before you post them or is this just vitriol for the sake of trying to piss off Bart? You don't have to reply, I think we all know the answer.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

So if the Nazis had said Judaism is evil and must be eradicated you'd have been fine with them? What exactly is the distinction? You are acting exactly as ISIS et al does - convert or die. Christians have moved on from that for some centuries now - you should catch up.

tens of millions of former Muslims, eh? Down from 1 billion plus. That's quite a slaughter you are envisioning there.

Perhaps you can tell me of your abundant tolerance for Nazis and Japanese militarists?

And can you tell me why it was wrong to tell the Nazis and the Japanese militarists to convert or die?

[andyt]

Not tolerant at all. But those aren't religions. If the Muslims win and tell you convert or die, what would you do?

[andyt]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

andyt andyt:

So if the Nazis had said Judaism is evil and must be eradicated you'd have been fine with them? What exactly is the distinction? You are acting exactly as ISIS et al does - convert or die. Christians have moved on from that for some centuries now - you should catch up.

tens of millions of former Muslims, eh? Down from 1 billion plus. That's quite a slaughter you are envisioning there.

Do you read your sentences before you post them or is this just vitriol for the sake of trying to piss off Bart? You don't have to reply, I think we all know the answer.

REally? So you're down with this convert or die and slaughtering a billion people who won't convert?

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

Not tolerant at all. But those aren't religions. If the Muslims win and tell you convert or die, what would you do?

I know what you would do, Andy bin Talib.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Not tolerant at all. But those aren't religions.

Excuse me?

Japanese militarism was borne of radical Shintoism which, in turn, promoted a militarized version of bushido. It was very much a religious movement!

And National Socialism wasn't exactly a religion, but the Nazis clearly intended to supplant religion and replace it with a worship of the Fuehrer and the State which inspired religious fervor.