[martin14]

[Public_Domain]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And Batista's Revolt of the Sergeants overthrew the authoritarian rule of Gerardo Machado. So 3 murdering totalitarian dicks in a row.

I'm not sure which one was supposed to me my 'utopia', but you seem pretty concerned about defending Castro's totalitarian regime.

I know Batista's regime had estimates of anywhere from hundreds to 20,000 people killed. That makes him a dick like Machado before him and Castro after him. The difference between what I'm saying and what you're saying is I'm saying all 3 of them were dicks. So were Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot if we're counting. You seem to be saying that because one of them was a murderous, totalitarian thug it makes it OK that the rest were.

As you are an anarcho-capitalist of sorts, I'd like to hear you bad mouth Pinochet.

[2Cdo]

I have never supported or cheered despots on either side of the political spectrum but find it rather humorous that certain "lefties" are defending PM Potatohead gushing over Castro.

[Public_Domain]

heh
(shitposters fucked the year up)

[shockedcanadian]

The bottom line: socialism breeds these abuses.

I support social initiatives, in the context of the broader and free capitalist system. People need social nets to have housing, education, healthcare (and options I would add). This is a big difference from socialism. In the end, socialism ends with supreme power, cronyism and massive abuses. A social system which provides one the basics of life and then the onus is on them. Free from interference in their lives, which is what ALL socialist systems engage in, humans can achieve, with suppression of thought and pursuits, everyone in the system suffers.

There are so many abusers in history, though I believe Mao and Stalin were the worst of the lot. Furthermore, they spread their systems like a cancer both among each other and to other nations who embraced their ideals. Wealthy, privileged leaders who enjoyed the good life and immense wealth while their own citizens starved.

[BRAH]

martin14 martin14:

BRAH BRAH:

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/11/26/statement-prime-minister-canada-death-former-cuban-president-fidel-castro[/b]
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Could PM Selfie be anymore embarrassing for Canada?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eader.html

$1:

Not so popular now, eh? Canada's golden boy Justin Trudeau gets ridiculed on Twitter for praising his father's close friend Fidel Castro as a 'remarkable leader'

Trudeau hailed Castro as a 'legendary revolutionary and orator' after the former Cuban president died on Friday night
His father Pierre Elliot Trudeau met Castro during a visit to Cuba in 1976
Their friendship lasted until the elder Trudeau's death in 2000 and Castro was an honorary pallbearer at his funeral
Cuban-American Senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio criticized Trudeau
Many on Twitter also poked fun at his warm statement, writing similarly positive eulogies for Hitler, Stalin and Darth Vader

More gold here:

#TrudeauEulogies

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The Sisko has no words.

[ShepherdsDog]

It really comes as no big surprise. Remember how Tater Tot the Vapid expressed an open admiration of communist dictatorship's and their ability to get things done.

[Lemmy]

Q

[BeaverFever]

Conservatives the world over openly admired the likes of Batista and Pinochet among others because they "opened their markets" ie signed over their country and natural resources to US business interests

[PluggyRug]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Conservatives the world over openly admired the likes of Batista and Pinochet among others because they "opened their markets" ie signed over their country and natural resources to US business interests

So all business is run by Conservatives?

[Thanos]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I'm not sure which one was supposed to me my 'utopia', but you seem pretty concerned about defending Castro's totalitarian regime.

I didn't defend Castro once. All I did was point out the background in Cuba, a background that was deliberately created by the corporate greed of the United States, that made the Cuban uprising and then Castro's dictatorship inevitable. By the time Castro got into power I imagine the Cubans were tired enough of what had been done to them over the preceding decades that they weren't going to protest too much over losing a worthless pseudo-democracy in exchange for health care, education, and other minor basic things like clean water so they no longer had to watch their children die of cholera and dysentery. That's what happens to people when you bash them repeatedly for long enough, that when someone comes along and gives them some stability and a semi-decent quality of life they aren't going to rise up in the name of a chimera like "democracy" that always let them down in the past, or was deliberately used against them by a foreign power for it's own monetary gain.

[bootlegga]

Thanos Thanos:

So when does the place get turned back over to Fulgencio Batista's, Meyer Lansky's, and the executives of the United Fruit Company's great-grandkids? Because freedom and free markets and the rule of law are really important, y'know.

Yep, while Castro was a monster, so was American-supported Batista, just like Pinochet, Hussein and Noriega and every other monster the US backed as long as it was in American interests.

The only real difference between Castro and Batista was that Bastista was their (USA's) monster.

[raydan]

Better the monster you think you control than the monster you can't control.

[2Cdo]

Lemmy Lemmy:

What's ironic is that Castro created for his country exactly what righties want right now: a homogeneous society where all who disagree are disappeared.

Nonsense. It's the left in Canada and the US that is calling for censorship of dissenting opinion and in some cases jail or death for those who dare to oppose the group think.

[Thanos]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Thanos Thanos:

So when does the place get turned back over to Fulgencio Batista's, Meyer Lansky's, and the executives of the United Fruit Company's great-grandkids? Because freedom and free markets and the rule of law are really important, y'know.

Yep, while Castro was a monster, so was American-supported Batista, just like Pinochet, Hussein and Noriega and every other monster the US backed as long as it was in American interests.

The only real difference between Castro and Batista was that Bastista was their (USA's) monster.

The thing I find most offensive is that those of us who aren't falling for the bullshit anymore are still expected to go along with some kind of childish and idiotic OUR good guys vs. THEIR bad guys narrative. Seriously? Like grow the fuck up already. What happened in Cuba, Central America, and South America is the United States legacy of oppression and horror to live with, just like what happened in Eastern Europe, North Korea, and Cambodia is communism's legacy of atrocity. All this silly gathering into teams like we're going to win some kind of ridiculous point of pride because "OUR guys" were the last ones standing won't wipe away the basic reality of history.

The numberless dead that got chewed up and spat out all across the face of this world during the grand war between Us and Them no longer care. Why the hell should anyone else?