[Public_Domain]

"I can't wait to stay on a resort in Cuba!"

[shockedcanadian]

Cuban-Americans are in the streets in Florida celebrating the death of a dictator. Educated people in the nation washing dishes and driving taxis, having other socialists praise them for their great literacy rates and education system.

Socialism is a blight on human existence.

[Public_Domain]

Are people not washing dishes, driving taxies here? We aren't all guilded CEOs here. Fuck you for looking down on dishwashers.

Also has a lower child mortality rate, and less unemployment, than your favourite country.

I didn't come here planning on parroting that, but you mentioned it...

[N_Fiddledog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

No. Tell it to these guys who hightailed it to Miami after Castro took over from Batista.



Some of them are dead, but you can still find their progeny easy enough. Here they are in Miami last night.



But if we should find a Guatemalan to quiz, should we also ask him how anxious he is to immigrate to Venezuela?

So, are you trying to say that the people on the raft are trying to get to Venezuela ?

Somebody would have to be one those moronic dolts who wasn't following the larger conversation to come to that conclusion.

Why? Almost sounds like you're trying to say you came to that conclusion?

[shockedcanadian]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Are people not washing dishes, driving taxies here? We aren't all guilded CEOs here. Fuck you for looking down on dishwashers.

Also has a lower child mortality rate, and less unemployment, than your favourite country.

I didn't come here planning on parroting that, but you mentioned it...

I've done work far worse than washing dishes, and I saw people alot younger than me quitting after days, sometimes hours of this work. I know of the type of system Cuba has, one we mimic in our own unaccountable "Canadian way". In short, Bob Paulson and his merry men can fly a kite with the OPP and watch the ship sink with them behind the wheel.

You make yourself look silly when comparing Cuba to America. How many die each year trying to get to America? Many from Cuba. How many Canadians are currently in America pursuing their dreams because our crony capitalist system couldn't, wouldn't or isn't designed to allow them the freedom and ability to succeed?

You're free to say what you want, but you're not free to misrepresent reality. Freedom sells, freedom is what people seek out and die for. You might not like excessive freedom and individualism but many do, even more wish to experience it themselves. Socialism, 49 year dictators and other communist abuses are precisely what people run from and fear. History suggests with good reason.

Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz had strong words tonight. The Cuban-Americans who are cursing the man who abused their families and their rights to be proud, contributing Cubans have expressed their outrage also. The failures of other systems to realize and harness the potential in others is often the gain of the nation that does.

[Thanos]

True freedom won't come to Cuba until the heirs of Meyer Lansky, Lucky Luciano, and Bugsy Seigal have their property in Cuba returned to them, especially the Hotel Nacionale in Havana so they can get the donkey show in the sub-basement "theatre" started up again. Basic democracy and the needs of capitalism demand it!

[BRAH]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Are people not washing dishes, driving taxies here? We aren't all guilded CEOs here. Fuck you for looking down on dishwashers.

Also has a lower child mortality rate, and less unemployment, than your favourite country.

I didn't come here planning on parroting that, but you mentioned it...

Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz had strong words tonight. The Cuban-Americans who are cursing the man who abused their families and their rights to be proud, contributing Cubans have expressed their outrage also. The failures of other systems to realize and harness the potential in others is often the gain of the nation that does.

[N_Fiddledog]

Fidel Castro: My Generation's Disgrace Finally Died

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In April 1959, when I was all of fifteen and a student at Scarsdale High, I made the trek with by buddies from the 'burbs to the city to see our new hero Fidel Castro speak in Central Park.

It's fifty-seven years ago now, but I still remember that night well. How could I forget? It was high drama the likes of which I had never seen, people streaming in from all over New York, klieg lights splayed across Sheep Meadow. The Daily News reported thirty-five thousand people squeezed into the park.

I couldn't get up that close, but close enough to see Fidel in his familiar beard and fatigues, gesticulating with his hand in the air, speaking in Spanish while the crowd around me, largely Dominicans, screamed "Viva! Viva!" and "Viva la revoluçion!" with a fervor not even given, later, the Beatles or the Stones. They wanted their country liberated, just as Castro had supposedly freed Cuba from the dastardly Batista.

I am loath to admit it now, but I remember shouting "Viva!"—though somewhat tentatively—myself. I didn't speak much Spanish then.

What I was watching, indeed participating in, was my generation being seduced. I didn't know it at the time. Almost no one did. But a mass seduction is what it was happening that would last to the present day, metaphorically and actually. It was an early version of the events of 1968.

Fidel was seducing all of us and he was seducing himself, convincing himself of his own importance, of his own greatness, a greatness and importance that led him to murder his old compadres Soviet-style, imprison gays, and impoverish his people for decades (although not himself—he ended up a billionaire) in a country that amounted to a giant jail for some bizarre and truly sick Marxist vision of the good.

Still, over the years, even with reports of what was happening, even while half of Cuba seemed to be fleeing to Florida, it was hard for my generation to escape his allure and that of his sadistic, legendary, glamorous partner-in-crime, El Ché, Comandante Ernesto Guevara, subject of so many dishonest songs and movies.

That allure, although somewhat diminished, had continued for me up until 1979 when I visited Cuba as a delegate to the First Festival of the New Latin American Cinema and got to hobnob with the likes of Nobelist Gabriel Garcia Márquez—himself a pal of Fidel's, able to drive a swanky new Mercedes on an island filled with aging DeSotos and live in a posh finca while the proles, under surveillance by the secret police, subsisted in decaying coldwater flats with no plumbing. And with Régis Debray—the French "philosopher" who chronicled Ché's exploits in the Bolivian mountains and became the most famous journalist of "the revolution."

I should have been impressed. And maybe I was in a way, but not for long, because the truth was there in front of me—the reality of Cuba itself. It was—you could find no other words—a communist shithole.

After a week, I was desperate to get out, as were the mostly leftist filmmakers who were with me, one of them even a member of the sainted "Hollywood Ten." The problem was, getting out wasn't so easy. We were stuck for ten hours at Havana Airport waiting for our semi-illegal charter flight from Miami to be allowed to land. I don't have to tell you that I and the rest of the group were sweating—and not just from the humid weather. Suppose we had to spend the rest of our lives in the "Marxist paradise"?

Finally, our plane was allowed to land, due to a special dispensation from Raul Castro, Fidel's tyrant brother now in control of the island, and we departed. In some ways, I date the end of my romance with the left from that experience, although the seduction— call it the Seduction of Fidel—was not completely over for me. It took years fully to dwindle away, finally to be extinguished on September 11, 2001.

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2016/11 ... ally-died/

[Thanos]

Fulgencio Batista killed around 20000 people between 1952 and 1959. He partnered with the New York mafia to turn Havana into a major drug-smuggling port. When he went into exile he took with him about $1 billion worth of cash, gold, art, and other treasures that belonged to the Cuban people.

[N_Fiddledog]

Real Statement

[N_Fiddledog]

Thanos Thanos:

Fulgencio Batista killed around 20000 people between 1952 and 1959. He partnered with the New York mafia to turn Havana into a major drug-smuggling port. When he went into exile he took with him about $1 billion worth of cash, gold, art, and other treasures that belonged to the Cuban people.

And he died in 1973.

I'm sure lots of people called him a dick back then just like others are refusing to honor Castro today. What's your point?

Oh wait I think I get it. "2 wrongs make a who cares", right?

[Thanos]

Just repeatedly pointing out how the revolution had a legitimate cause behind it, one that came out of about sixty years of history prior to 1959 that you seem more than willing to ignore. Odd too how your utopia has as much blood and bone in it's foundation as the one the communists wanted to build. If you're incensed by the 20000 Castro killed and the hundreds of thousands he imprisoned but want to avoid altogether any mention of the 20000 Batista killed and the hundreds of thousands he imprisoned then all it means is that you're as good at playing the broken-eggs-for-great-omelette game as any of your enemies are.

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At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands—almost all the cattle ranches—90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions—80 percent of the utilities — practically all the oil industry — and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports.

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Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years ... and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state—destroying every individual liberty. Yet our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the United States in support of his reign of terror. Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batista—hailed him as a staunch ally and a good friend—at a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom, and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people, and we failed to press for free elections.

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I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country's policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear.

- John F. Kennedy

[N_Fiddledog]

And Batista's Revolt of the Sergeants overthrew the authoritarian rule of Gerardo Machado. So 3 murdering totalitarian dicks in a row.

I'm not sure which one was supposed to me my 'utopia', but you seem pretty concerned about defending Castro's totalitarian regime.

I know Batista's regime had estimates of anywhere from hundreds to 20,000 people killed. That makes him a dick like Machado before him and Castro after him. The difference between what I'm saying and what you're saying is I'm saying all 3 of them were dicks. So were Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot if we're counting. You seem to be saying that because one of them was a murderous, totalitarian thug it makes it OK that the rest were.

[N_Fiddledog]

But yes. Batista was a totalitarian shit. He died in 1973. Good riddance.

Castro died last night. Same deal on both counts. Totalitarian shit. Good riddance.

[martin14]

BRAH BRAH:

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/11/26/statement-prime-minister-canada-death-former-cuban-president-fidel-castro[/b]
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Could PM Selfie be anymore embarrassing for Canada?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eader.html

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Not so popular now, eh? Canada's golden boy Justin Trudeau gets ridiculed on Twitter for praising his father's close friend Fidel Castro as a 'remarkable leader'

Trudeau hailed Castro as a 'legendary revolutionary and orator' after the former Cuban president died on Friday night
His father Pierre Elliot Trudeau met Castro during a visit to Cuba in 1976
Their friendship lasted until the elder Trudeau's death in 2000 and Castro was an honorary pallbearer at his funeral
Cuban-American Senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio criticized Trudeau
Many on Twitter also poked fun at his warm statement, writing similarly positive eulogies for Hitler, Stalin and Darth Vader

More gold here:

#TrudeauEulogies